Why Panthers’ Dave Canales won’t run a QB sneak with Bryce Young

[raleigh-panther]

So glad to hear, that after 3 years with Young, 2 years with Canales and Idzik are ‘worjong on things’ related to getting extremely short yardage because they dont want to use young on sneaks.   It is mind boggling   It isnt like they havent known his height and weight up close and personal 

if i were the owner, id be finding a better OC or a better QB to come in for Young if they insist on  keeping  him  it ised to be done fir Brees all the time 

 

Why Panthers’ Dave Canales won’t run a QB sneak with Bryce Young

Mike Kaye

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7 hrs ago

Carolina Panthers quarterback Bryce Young scrambled on a broken play on third-and-3 with 11:47 remaining in the fourth quarter on Sunday at Caesars Superdome. He ran for two yards, just shy of the first-down marker against the New Orleans Saints.

Head coach Dave Canales, with a 17-7 lead on the road, decided to go for it on fourth-and-1 from the New Orleans 37-yard line. Canales called a handoff from under center to running back Chuba Hubbard, but the ball-carrier was curbed at the line of scrimmage, forcing a turnover on downs within field-goal range.

The Panthers eventually lost, 20-17, in the NFC South showdown.
 

A lot of teams would go for a QB sneak on fourth-and-inches in enemy territory. But the Panthers have yet to try that during Young’s three-year career in Carolina.

According to Canales, the decision to not use Young on QB sneaks is about physics.

“He goes about 190 pounds,” Canales said with a shoulder shrug. “And when you have a 220, 230-pound quarterback leaning on a center, that’s an advantage. When you’re not putting a bunch of force that way, I don’t see that as an advantage.”

“The other part is I like to leverage off of some of the formations that we use to throw shots down the field,” Canales added. “You get in a third-and-inches, and you’re in dive or belly type of plays, it allows you to try to throw a keeper or throw a play-action (passes), and we’ve had some success over the course of the last two seasons, finding explosives in short-yardage at a higher rate than most teams who are going to sneak it.”
 

The logic behind not using Young — officially listed as 5-foot-10 and 204 pounds — in a pile is sound, if not obvious. But the lack of a sneak play also highlights a dearth of trusty baseline options in the tightest of short-yardage situations.

“It’s great to have a sneak,” Canales said. “It’s great when you can — man, it’s a half-yard or something — and you know you can execute it with your quarterback. It’s great to have in your back pocket. But that’s not our style. So, we just try to maximize our approach.”

When it was suggested that a tight end sneak might make sense during Monday’s press conference, Canales said that he and offensive coordinator Brad Idzik are trying to find new solutions.

“We’re working on stuff,” Canales said.

[Jackson113.2]

[Waldo]

Make 2 list, the things Bryce can do and the things Beyce can't do. One is long and the other short. Guess which this also falls into? 

I have never seen a professional athlete with so many excuses about why they can't do their job. At least it's hilarious.

Also, near the end of year 2 and they still can't figure out who to sneak it with lol

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Make 2 list, the things Bryce can do and the things Beyce can't do. One is long and the other short. Guess which this also falls into? 

I have never seen a professional athlete with so many excuses about why they can't do their job. At least it's hilarious.

Also, near the end of year 2 and they still can't figure out who to sneak it with lol

And they are still "working on things" this late in the season coming out of a bye.   He has said some moronic things

[Jon Snow]

I'm surprised it took him this long to figure it out. This team is FUBAR.

[CRA]

but the real question to pose Canales, given what the % of QBs sneaks converted is......how can you justify not having that play given the success rate of it in the NFL vs other run plays on short yardage.  

[raleigh-panther]

41 minutes ago, CRA said:

but the real question to pose Canales, given what the % of QBs sneaks converted is......how can you justify not having that play given the success rate of it in the NFL vs other run plays on short yardage.  

I know. 100%

pretty pissed when i read this

no excuse.  None

dalton is drawing millions to be nothing nur a baby sitter.  Put him  out There

 

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I know. 100%

pretty pissed when i read this

no excuse.  None

dalton is drawing millions to be nothing nur a baby sitter.  Put him  out There

 

But then we can't potentially "trick" them with God-tier QB Bryce Young and have him throw a pass. 

[raleigh-panther]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But then we can't potentially "trick" them with God-tier QB Bryce Young and have him throw a pass. 

Lol

[PleaseCutStewart]

2 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

So glad to hear, that after 3 years with Young, 2 years with Canales and Idzik are ‘worjong on things’ related to getting extremely short yardage because they dont want to use young on sneaks.   It is mind boggling   It isnt like they havent known his height and weight up close and personal 

if i were the owner, id be finding a better OC or a better QB to come in for Young if they insist on  keeping  him  it ised to be done fir Brees all the time 

 

Why Panthers’ Dave Canales won’t run a QB sneak with Bryce Young

Mike Kaye

[email protected]

7 hrs ago

Carolina Panthers quarterback Bryce Young scrambled on a broken play on third-and-3 with 11:47 remaining in the fourth quarter on Sunday at Caesars Superdome. He ran for two yards, just shy of the first-down marker against the New Orleans Saints.

Head coach Dave Canales, with a 17-7 lead on the road, decided to go for it on fourth-and-1 from the New Orleans 37-yard line. Canales called a handoff from under center to running back Chuba Hubbard, but the ball-carrier was curbed at the line of scrimmage, forcing a turnover on downs within field-goal range.

The Panthers eventually lost, 20-17, in the NFC South showdown.
 

A lot of teams would go for a QB sneak on fourth-and-inches in enemy territory. But the Panthers have yet to try that during Young’s three-year career in Carolina.

According to Canales, the decision to not use Young on QB sneaks is about physics.

“He goes about 190 pounds,” Canales said with a shoulder shrug. “And when you have a 220, 230-pound quarterback leaning on a center, that’s an advantage. When you’re not putting a bunch of force that way, I don’t see that as an advantage.”

“The other part is I like to leverage off of some of the formations that we use to throw shots down the field,” Canales added. “You get in a third-and-inches, and you’re in dive or belly type of plays, it allows you to try to throw a keeper or throw a play-action (passes), and we’ve had some success over the course of the last two seasons, finding explosives in short-yardage at a higher rate than most teams who are going to sneak it.”
 

The logic behind not using Young — officially listed as 5-foot-10 and 204 pounds — in a pile is sound, if not obvious. But the lack of a sneak play also highlights a dearth of trusty baseline options in the tightest of short-yardage situations.

“It’s great to have a sneak,” Canales said. “It’s great when you can — man, it’s a half-yard or something — and you know you can execute it with your quarterback. It’s great to have in your back pocket. But that’s not our style. So, we just try to maximize our approach.”

When it was suggested that a tight end sneak might make sense during Monday’s press conference, Canales said that he and offensive coordinator Brad Idzik are trying to find new solutions.

“We’re working on stuff,” Canales said.

My god, he sounds dumber and dumber with each passing week. If this is truly something he believes (that a lightweight QB can't get 3 inches on a 4th down sneak), then why the hell haven't you signed a QB that we can bring in to sneak the ball in these situations...

Or you know... If you aren't going to sneak it on 4th and very short, how about not calling a dive play up the middle when you know NO is going to blitz everybody possible up the middle

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, Jackson113.2 said:

I cant view this

[raleigh-panther]

1 minute ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

My god, he sounds dumber and dumber with each passing week. If this is truly something he believes (that a lightweight QB can't get 3 inches on a 4th down sneak), then why the hell haven't you signed a QB that we can bring in to sneak the ball in these situations...

Or you know... If you aren't going to sneak it on 4th and very short, how about not calling a dive play up the middle when you know NO is going to blitz everybody possible up the middle

Or calling that play on the stringer run blocking side. Lewis  and ickey

neither corbett or moton are what they used to be.  Particularly later in games

[kungfoodude]

Canales is at his best coaching when he has a full week to prepare and dig into why he lost the game. That's when he really excels, in hindsight.

For sure he doesn't when it comes to pre-game planning/preparation and in game management. He's REAL bad at that. 

But, man, he really is great at seeing his constant mistakes after he has made them.

[CPF4LIFE]

Lets say Canales does call the sneak with Bryce and we dont get it....he gets dragged anyway. 

"Why didnt we just give it to Rico!"

Canales is coming up with creative ways to tell you he does not want Bryce as his QB.