So is this a Bryce issue, a Canales issue, or a non issue?

[Khyber53]

36 minutes ago, CRA said:

He takes shots downfield more than…..1 starter in the NFL.  And Canales is clearly managing him and his throws.

Is that progress? Is that confidence? 

or is it that the Rams and other teams don’t expect a QB that doesn’t throw downfield to take shots….and we have taken advantage of those moments.  Which is going to yield a better success rate.   Hell those 2 Rams throws almost felt like trick plays 

Not sure if any answer I give will satisfy you. 

[CRA]

33 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

The eagles just won while be ranked 29th in passing yards, and they have all pro weapons

Hurt was a piece of dominant ground attack and that yielded results.  If Hurts didn’t have that component to offset what he lacks as a passer, Hurts would be where all the other Bama QBs end up…..not playing. 

 

 

[pantherclaw]

Looks at how many starting offensive line combinations we've had this season, and thinks y'all are over thinking poo. 

Edited 1 hour ago by pantherclaw

[*FreeFua*]

57 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

The eagles just won while be ranked 29th in passing yards, and they have all pro weapons

 

 

Because passing yards  is such an irrelevant stat to use but it’s to be expected from the few usual suspects on this board 

Eagles 29th in passing yards 

but they were:

6th in offensive EPA 

3rd in defensive EPA 

And Jalen Hurts was 5th in EPA+CPOE composite

 

Edited 1 hour ago by *FreeFua*

[cranky]

Maybe the simple answer is it takes time for rookies to get up to speed in the NFL. That's pretty much all Canale and Young had to work with early- unless you want to count Legette as a deep threat. Thielen was gone and Cooker was on IR.

I think the offense is improving simply with playing time for the rookies and time for Young, TMac and Cooker to get used to one another.

Edited 1 hour ago by cranky

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Because passing yards  is such an irrelevant stat to use but it’s to be expected from the few usual suspects on this board 

Eagles 29th in passing yards 

but they were:

6th in offensive EPA 

3rd in defensive EPA 

And Jalen Hurts was 5th in EPA+CPOE composite

 

The only reason that weak pass attack is okay….is the dominant performance on the ground the QB is also working in.  

Can’t just gloss over that….which made them a top 10 O in yards and scoring. 

we are bottom 3rd in the NFL.  Again.  

[PNW_PantherMan]

35 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

And imo that’s why we saw Bryce revert back to bad Bryce to start 2025

He ended 2024 looking really good BUT then to start 2025 he had a whole new WR group

TMac (rookie), Tremayne, Renfrow saw a lot of snaps 

Legette is Legette. Even David Moore getting hurt honestly hurt Bryce

So it took awhile for BY and TMac to build chemistry and then Coker coming back has made a huge difference as well

XL should have been demoted to 3rd or 4th WR way earlier than he was.  Even before Coker was available, XL was such a detriment to the office more often than not.

[GoobyPls]

27 minutes ago, CRA said:

Hurt was a piece of dominant ground attack and that yielded results.  If Hurts didn’t have that component to offset what he lacks as a passer, Hurts would be where all the other Bama QBs end up…..not playing. 

 

 

So you can win with a below average passing attack.

 

And if you want to get into weeds of things Bryce is actually asked to do way more in terms of passing concepts, changing plays at the line of scrimmage, going through progression, the eagles play the most simplified passing offense in the NFL cause of Hurts limitations.

[Navy_football]

38 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

And imo that’s why we saw Bryce revert back to bad Bryce to start 2025

He ended 2024 looking really good BUT then to start 2025 he had a whole new WR group

TMac (rookie), Tremayne, Renfrow saw a lot of snaps 

Legette is Legette. Even David Moore getting hurt honestly hurt Bryce

So it took awhile for BY and TMac to build chemistry and then Coker coming back has made a huge difference as well

Said it before the first game, when we learned of Coker's injury. 

The QBs will be playing with a group of receivers where they've only completed a pass to one of them ever - Legette. That is not a good place to be, especially when the other receivers included two rookies, Tremayne and Renfrow who hasn't played football in 2 years. Throw in a second year TE and a rookie TE. I mean I love Tremble, but if he's your vet receiving TE you're not in a very good place. 

[*FreeFua*]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

The only reason that weak pass attack is okay….is the dominant performance on the ground the QB is also working in.  

Can’t just gloss over that….which made them a top 10 O in yards and scoring. 

we are bottom 3rd in the NFL.  Again.  

Actually I can

Let’s take the 2022 Vikings for example they were 

8th in PPG and 7th in YPG but their offensive EPA was 18th and they got bounced immediately in the playoffs 

Or how about our defense in 2023…

We were 4th in yards allowed but 26th in defensive EPA 

Since the GB game when Coker got his snap count up 

Our offense is actually 13th in EPA

from weeks 11-16 they’re 10th

Our defense on the other hand is atrocious 

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

Actually I can

Let’s take the 2022 Vikings for example they were 

8th in PPG and 7th in YPG but their offensive EPA was 18th and they got bounced immediately in the playoffs 

Or how about our defense in 2023…

We were 4th in yards allowed but 26th in defensive EPA 

Since the GB game when Coker got his snap count up 

Our offense is actually 13th in EPA

from weeks 11-16 they’re 10th

Our defense on the other hand is atrocious 

And since week 9 

Bryce Young is 8th in EPA+CPOE composite 

Like I said he’s been playing like a top 10 QB and I’ll go with the stats that actually matter versus the same 4-5 “expert” huddlers that have been exposed countless times 

[CRA]

6 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

So you can win with a below average passing attack.

 

And if you want to get into weeds of things Bryce is actually asked to do way more in terms of passing concepts, changing plays at the line of scrimmage, going through progression, the eagles play the most simplified passing offense in the NFL cause of Hurts limitations.

Sure, you have to make up for it elsewhere…

#2 D paired with the #2 rush attack (paired with an essentially cheat short yardage play).  

We dumped our resources into having a really good passing attack presently that in theory should be making up for the areas that would take an hit in the build.  Which is another reason so much is Bryce centric.  What in theory should be the biggest strength is the weakest link.   

[*FreeFua*]

9 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Said it before the first game, when we learned of Coker's injury. 

The QBs will be playing with a group of receivers where they've only completed a pass to one of them ever - Legette. That is not a good place to be, especially when the other receivers included two rookies, Tremayne and Renfrow who hasn't played football in 2 years. Throw in a second year TE and a rookie TE. I mean I love Tremble, but if he's your vet receiving TE you're not in a very good place. 

Yep a 24 year old still trying to figure it out himself 

3 seasons with 3 totally different WR’s to start each year. 2 different systems 

Then like you said a bunch of young pass catchers that are trying to figure out things themselves. Bryce is older than both Coker and TMac. This is such a young group 

TMac and Coker understand the game though. Understand soft spots in zones. Understand coverages. Spacing. Route running. These are the types Young excels with. It’s why Young was able to extend the careers of Adam Thielen and David Moore. I’d like to see us add a legit deep threat still though and a pass catching TE so Young can take advantage of the MOF which is something he’s proven he’s more than capable of 

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Actually I can

Let’s take the 2022 Vikings for example they were 

8th in PPG and 7th in YPG but their offensive EPA was 18th and they got bounced immediately in the playoffs 

Or how about our defense in 2023…

We were 4th in yards allowed but 26th in defensive EPA 

Since the GB game when Coker got his snap count up 

Our offense is actually 13th in EPA

from weeks 11-16 they’re 10th

Our defense on the other hand is atrocious 

In theory, you can argue anything.   We have a weak and erratic pass attack.  It just is what it is.  The eye don’t lie.   
 

Well it lies once every season.   In Atlanta lol