Did TMac Win OROY?

[mav1234]

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Canales has been the #1 thing holding us back this year, and I say that as one of the biggest Bryce bashers on here.

I’ve been saying it even since we shut the Falcons out, I started a thread after that one calling out my issues with Canales and his playcalling and it got poo’d into oblivion.

He's not creative and he thinks he can always trick the defense, but in the end just calls terrible plays because of it.  I don’t think Bryce is a legitimate starting QB in this league, but Canales is even less of a legitimate HC than Bryce is as a starting QB.

I strongly disagree we know yet if canales is a good HC or not.

I do agree we know he isn't a good HC/OC combo though.

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

50/50 between him and Jeanty. He has a good game against LA though and it's 100% his.

No, voting is done before the playoffs start, so he could have 350 yards and 8 TDs next week and it wouldn't matter.

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

True. But then who is to credit? Evero? Bryce?

Somebody won 8 games

Honestly I don't think there is any one player or coach, it's been a season of different things in most weeks to get us there, and honestly sometimes it was just luck in the end that won a game, that happens too.

Sometimes it was the other team overlooking us and expecting an easy win and it biting them in the ass.  Sometimes it was someone on offense or defense having themselves a game.  Sometimes it was the defensive gameplan and execution.   And sure, Canales did have himself a well called game or two this year that helped us get a win, but it was few and far between and was probably more a blind squirrel finding a nut than showing his true ability.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

No, voting is done before the playoffs start, so he could have 350 yards and 8 TDs next week and it wouldn't matter.

Well alrighty. 50/50 it is.

[csx]

7 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Well alrighty. 50/50 it is.

Jeanty is 7th in odds. Not even mentioned in discussions. Where are you getting this from?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-offensive-rookie-of-the-year-race-odds-tyler-shough-tetairoa-mcmillan/

Edited January 5 by csx

[Bear Hands]

Most likely Tmac.

Henderson is the maybe

No one else really should be considered.

Don’t see Shough happening and Egbuka was too quiet to close the season. T McMillan was the most consistent of them all production wise.

[tukafan21]

4 minutes ago, csx said:

Jeanty is 7th in odds

I honestly don't understand why, other than his season not living up to expectations and/or the Raiders being the worst team.

He had over 1,300 yards and 10 TDs, that's not the 7th best rookie in a year like this, personally I think he probably should be #2 behind T-Mac, Henderson a slight 3rd behind Jeanty.

Edited January 5 by tukafan21

[csx]

11 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I honestly don't understand why, other than his season not living up to expectations and/or the Raiders being the worst team.

He had over 1,300 yards and 10 TDs, that's not the 7th best rookie in a year like this, personally I think he probably should be #2 behind T-Mac, Henderson a slight 3rd behind Jeanty.

Jeanty had 2 good games and 2 decent games and pretty much nothing else.

[csx]

And the McMillan and Shough and others were key to some level of improvement and success of their teams.

[toldozer]

I'd give it to shough personally. Tmac had several games with 2 receptions or less and shough had a winning record as a starter after taking over the worst team in football including a 4 game winning streak.

[PleaseCutStewart]

52 minutes ago, toldozer said:

I'd give it to shough personally. Tmac had several games with 2 receptions or less and shough had a winning record as a starter after taking over the worst team in football including a 4 game winning streak.

Not TMac's fault he has a bottom 5 QB in a power run focused scheme throwing him the ball... Put him on any competent offense and TMac is probably at 1500+ receiving yards

And while Shough did a good job of having a winning record, he was barely over .500 (5-4) in games he started and had a defense that held just about every team to 20 points or less. A 10-6 TD to INT ratio (13-6 if you want to count his rushing TDs) is nothing to write home about.

The Saints were competitive in most of their games before Shough despite having one of the worst starting QBs this year in Rattler. Give Shough credit for turning the Saints season around, but that defense is probably the biggest reason why they have won most of their games

[kungfoodude]

10 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I honestly don't understand why, other than his season not living up to expectations and/or the Raiders being the worst team.

He had over 1,300 yards and 10 TDs, that's not the 7th best rookie in a year like this, personally I think he probably should be #2 behind T-Mac, Henderson a slight 3rd behind Jeanty.

Bad team, basically. Dike has had a wild season statistically too(leads NFL in AP yards) but because he is on the Titans, he will get overlooked.

Fannin Jr. would probably get more love too. He has had an exceptional season.

[Panthering]

TMac has been so fun to watch this year, I still remember yelping in joy when we picked him because I really was convinced we were going defense. Great part is that he still has room to grow and will only get better. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

Yes.  One can only imagine what kind of a mind-blowing rookie season he could have had if we had an actual professional playing QB for us.