Falcons are trying to take Tillis

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

There is a tax you have to pay when you’re 2-15, have had multiple head coaches, and haven’t made the playoffs in years. Was he supposed to get a pro bowler on a discount? Or spend 4 draft picks on the OL? I’m confused how you all approach this.

Couple of different approaches in 24 but mine would have been to keep Brady at swing, move Mayes to guard, Corbett as backup, stay at 33 and draft JPJ as top C/G, instead of Brooks, draft Frazier.

I know everyone wanted a WR and I did too, McConkey being my preference, but if the need was to protect Bryce's Achilles heel which is pressure up the middle, taking 2 of the top IOL to start immediately, move up Mayes, who's already proven he can do the job, Corbett to backup where he belongs. 

Instead of Wallace in the 3rd, if we were going to risk on an injured player it would have been Wilson, top LB in the country. Use all that extra cap space from Hunt and Lewis to bring in a WR that can actually catch and run routes unlike XL and get an edge rusher and likely still have had some cap left over, 2 quality IOL on rookie deals, cap space to ink Icky and Mayes this year and a hell of a LB to boot. 

 

[ProcessBlue2]

The last time people acted like this we got Gettleman. Then they acted like this again and we got Fitterer. 
 

 

[ProcessBlue2]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Couple of different approaches in 24 but mine would have been to keep Brady at swing, move Mayes to guard, Corbett as backup, stay at 33 and draft JPJ as top C/G, instead of Brooks, draft Frazier.

I know everyone wanted a WR and I did too, McConkey being my preference, but if the need was to protect Bryce's Achilles heel which is pressure up the middle, taking 2 of the top IOL to start immediately, move up Mayes, who's already proven he can do the job, Corbett to backup where he belongs. 

Instead of Wallace in the 3rd, if we were going to risk on an injured player it would have been Wilson, top LB in the country. Use all that extra cap space from Hunt and Lewis to bring in a WR that can actually catch and run routes unlike XL and get an edge rusher and likely still have had some cap left over, 2 quality IOL on rookie deals, cap space to ink Icky and Mayes this year and a hell of a LB to boot. 

 

I agree that there is multiple ways to do it. But his way did work. Playoffs or not, we have now went from 2 wins, to 5 wins, to 8 wins. We are on an upward trajectory, the playoffs this year was just a bonus for the state of the division. 
 

I think he’s in/was in a tough spot between cap, draft picks, trying to build the right culture, while also trying to show some type of improvement so Tepper doesn’t mash the restart button again. There have been misses but his hits far outweigh the misses.

[frankw]

Certainly I would like to retain his services but maybe he's been anointed to a pedestal he doesn't quite deserve here in such a short time. He was heavily involved in the 2024 draft class was he not? The 2025 class has been much much better in comparison but still it's not as if things have been going perfectly from top to bottom. If this franchise and specifically Dan Morgan cannot survive losing Tillis then we're doomed regardless.

[ProcessBlue2]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Since when did we fix the DL????

Our defense was ranked 32nd and worst all time against the run last year. It is now ranked 16th. That’s a pretty damn good improvement. 

Edited yesterday at 05:57 PM by ProcessBlue2

[Loyalty4Life]

4 hours ago, TD alt said:

I agree somewhat, in that we don't know whether Dan is going to work out yet because there hasn't been enough body of work, but I disagree with the sentiment that we have five drafts to judge him on, because we really only have two. Assistants, by their very nature, aren't generally the decision makers, the buck stops with the GM. I have seen it throughout life. An assistants job is exactly that: to assist. Your role as an assistant is to toe the company line, not to make executive decisions. Dan could've been in lock step or philosophically opposed to some of the personnel moves behind the scenes. We will likely never know how much involvement, much less agreement Dan had  In those discussions and calculations. That's why I am solely focused on his time as GM.

One thing I will say, is that things have improved since Dan took over the job, notwithstanding fundamental personnel challenges we have on the team right now. And let not forget that Morgan took over a train wreck that at least was not fully his making, if at all.

Fully agree.  I tell my boss all the time.  My job isn't to make the best decision.  I will tell you what I think the best decision is but my job is to make the decision my boss decides on to work.  How do I make what he wants work even if I think there is a better option.

This is the most wins we've had since 2017.  In fact there have only been 10 seasons (out of 30) we've won 8 games or more in franchise history.  We're in the playoffs and won the division.  That also hasn't happened since 2017.  

The last 8 years of Rhule, Reich and looking under every rock for a QB left us at probably the worst point in franchise history.  I'm giving a ton of credit to the current brain trust.  I want to keep Morgan, Canales, and Tillis together for the foreseeable future.  

Fans expect too much, too fast because out of 32 teams you can see when a team gets lucky and hits a homerun with a FA or draft pick and expect that is the standard.  

  

[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Fully agree.  I tell my boss all the time.  My job isn't to make the best decision.  I will tell you what I think the best decision is but my job is to make the decision my boss decides on to work.  How do I make what he wants work even if I think there is a better option.

This is the most wins we've had since 2017.  In fact there have only been 10 seasons (out of 30) we've won 8 games or more in franchise history.  We're in the playoffs and won the division.  That also hasn't happened since 2017.  

The last 8 years of Rhule, Reich and looking under every rock for a QB left us at probably the worst point in franchise history.  I'm giving a ton of credit to the current brain trust.  I want to keep Morgan, Canales, and Tillis together for the foreseeable future.  

Fans expect too much, too fast because out of 32 teams you can see when a team gets lucky and hits a homerun with a FA or draft pick and expect that is the standard.  

I agree.

And as for the QB. He needs to stick around until they find his replacement, or hopefully he shows more consistency game to game and play to play. 

[ProcessBlue2]

16 hours ago, jb2288 said:

I'm honestly shocked Tepper even let him get this far. Yeah, create a CEO role or something and give him a raise

Technically Dan is the President/GM like Lynch is in SF. I think he reports to the CEO then Tepper maybe?

For those of you that don’t know, yes we have a CEO. I have no clue what their capacity is

[strato]

5 hours ago, TD alt said:

I agree somewhat, in that we don't know whether Dan is going to work out yet because there hasn't been enough body of work, but I disagree with the sentiment that we have five drafts to judge him on, because we really only have two. Assistants, by their very nature, aren't generally the decision makers, the buck stops with the GM. I have seen it throughout life. An assistants job is exactly that: to assist. Your role as an assistant is to toe the company line, not to make executive decisions. Dan could've been in lock step or philosophically opposed to some of the personnel moves behind the scenes. We will likely never know how much involvement, much less agreement Dan had  In those discussions and calculations. That's why I am solely focused on his time as GM.

One thing I will say, is that things have improved since Dan took over the job, notwithstanding fundamental personnel challenges we have on the team right now. And let not forget that Morgan took over a train wreck that at least was not fully his making, if at all.

Some guys want to blame him for being a yes man. You take a job with a boss, you are a yes man unless it something morally objectionable that is beyond reason.
If it is a business matter, you a yes man until either you are given autonomy or leave. And you will even say yes to getting autonomy, for that matter. 
The pressure from Tepper to fix Bryce and the offense had to have been immense. Overbearing. 

That is the guy that fired Reich because, among other extreme expectations, he couldn’t fix Bryce’s footwork in a week. And couldn’t sit him. 
 

Everyone used Brees as a comp so I wouldn’t put it past him being told ‘do what they did for Brees then, just get it done’. There is your OL overkill. I think the same pressure led to those first two draft picks. Most don’t, but it is what I think. 

He got more rope year two, off of that OL being ‘fixed’. Had more time to prepare, a bit of clarity from a year on the job in his pocket, and did what appears to be a great job. Trending up. 

[Lurk21]

1 hour ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Our defense was ranked 32nd and worst all time against the run last year. It is now ranked 16th. That’s a pretty damn good improvement. 

Especially  considering  they spend a ton of time on the field!!

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Our defense was ranked 32nd and worst all time against the run last year. It is now ranked 16th. That’s a pretty damn good improvement. 

You mean getting DB back?

If you want honesty, A. Robinson and DB are the only guys that have appreciably worked out well for us on that DL. They also pre-dated Dan Morgan.

Now, admittedly I think where Evero plays some of these guys has an impact on dome of them struggling.

[shaqattaq]

17 hours ago, ClawOn said:

Losing Tillis would be a disaster. I expect Tepper will take care of this. 

Come on Mr. Brass Balls, make it happen!

[shaqattaq]

17 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Tillis is massively important to this organization. The good news is Atlanta is expected to offer the newly created position to old QB Matt Ryan

 

[Loyalty4Life]

Wharton and Bobby Brown have been an asset and contributed to our defensive improvement.  We can always argue if there contract are worth their play.

Scourton looks like a stud in progress and Princely has shown a lot of promise in situational pass rushes although you can nitpick and say they are linebacks and not dline.

Morieg has been the biggest difference in our defense (outside of DB).

All of these are Morgan decisions although it's never just one person.

Going from the worst run D in NFL history to 15th overall IMHO is basically "fixing" the dline/defense.