Falcons are trying to take Tillis

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, TD alt said:

I mean, and I've said it recently, 2024 was Dan's first draft. It was also stunted by the residual effects of the Bryce trade. I think it's kind of cynical to say that the earlier draft was akin to a counterbalance of the later draft. I mean, you have every right to look at it that way, but it would seem to me that you'd put a premium on the improvement from year one to year two. That is certainly evidence of moving in the right direction, even if one considers it modest, or maybe even nominal, improvement (not that I necessarily view it that way). That being said, I don't think it's coincidental that the better draft was with Brandt Tillis. But, Dan hired Brandt Tillis. It's not a stretch to think that he can hire someone else with a similar analytical/PFF background.

I'm not trying to be cynical. We have 5 drafts to judge Dan on. 3 that were pretty bad cumulatively that Dan was Assistant GM and 2 as Head GM, 1st bad, 2nd good. The point I was trying to make is we lack enough information at this point to judge Dan one way or the other to say Dan has earned our trust as a team builder. I think some skepticism is still warranted based on the things that have happened at minimum over the past 2 years. 

I'm skeptical of his abilities as a GM still. That's all. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

He fixed the OL. He fixed the DL. 
 

I think some of you, don’t realize how bad Fitterer fuged this place up. poo roster, no money, no picks. He’s done a lot with little to work with. It takes time to fix what one of the worst GMs ever did 

The oline is already one of the most expensive in the league and about to be more expensive when we ink Icky to a new deal. If you believe the Huddle on gamedays, our line is overpaid poo that can't block anything. I don't think they're terrible, but i think we overspent on 2 guards when we could have possibly paid 1/0, promoted Mays/BC or both and drafted Frazier instead of an injured RB.  Our dline was largely helped by the return of DB from injury and an all pro caliber season.

I know it takes time to fix things. He inherited a mess from Fitterer but he was also a 3 year assistant to that GM. He helped create that mess if you believe he did his job as AGM, which I would assume he did since was deemed qualified and hired as replacement GM. 

It all boils down to how well you think the team and FO has been constructed. I look at some of the moves made and those not made and I'm skeptical of his abilities. You attribute more to his abilities than I do.  That's all good. We'll find out in a couple more years how good a GM he really is when we have more to judge. 

[strato]

I can’t say I know, having never worked in an NFL office as an assistent. 
I know that what I have been hired to do as an assistant or employee is to assist the person that hired me in implementing his decisions and carry out the duties of the day to day. 
I was rarely, no… I was occasionally consulted on a proposed decision or an issue and I would give my opinion. If they didn’t want to take my advice or counsel, I didn’t get to overrule them. I was paid to support them.

Maybe I don’t know how life is in the big city but I wasn’t making decisions unless *I* were in charge. A good way to lose a job would be to not accept being overruled and keep pushing my point of view. 

I don’t how it was for Dan but I am holding him accountable for what has been done on his watch. Nothing else. 
Additionally, I understand that he has a boss to answer to. 

[csx]

2 hours ago, strato said:

I probably don’t know what the bad is. Wharton? I think he was influential in that decision. Not my favorite. But they aren’t perfect and they are not gonna be perfect. 

Wharton sure...and the 2024 draft. Whatever people are unhappy about with team building is on him if he gets credit for the positives.

[NAS]

We can’t lose this guy he is the brains behind the operation 

[strato]

10 minutes ago, csx said:

Wharton sure...and the 2024 draft. Whatever people are unhappy about with team building is on him if he gets credit for the positives.

I am not wanting to be too judgemental of Morgan over his first draft given the circumstances. 
People don’t like my rationale but you know, I don’t so much like theirs either. 
I was adamantly against drafting Bryce and very resentful over the extreme (imo) measures taken to prop him up. I feel like Dan got caught in that trap with demands or conditions placed on him to help out the QB and the new Offensive minded head coach. 
And my biased opinion is that it was still all Bryce centric. Micro managed and solely focused on making him a viable player after his first disastrous season. Mandated to help the offense in that draft. 
I feel like my speculation is reasonable given the climate and situation, and it includes the reasons we didn’t take a C, the reasons we overdrafted a RB and that particular WR. It was totally need based. Perceived needs. All to maximize Bryce. 
 

And if it were me, and I wanted the GM slot of my team that I came up with, I would be willing to accede to the agenda that I feel was in place. The goals he had to meet. 

It is pretty simple, just put Bryce’s needs at the center of everything that was done and work your way through it. 
I have no idea or inside info, and people have mocked my opinion for it but that is what it is, it still makes sense to me. 

[csx]

8 minutes ago, strato said:

I am not wanting to be too judgemental of Morgan over his first draft given the circumstances. 
People don’t like my rationale but you know, I don’t so much like theirs either. 
I was adamantly against drafting Bryce and very resentful over the extreme (imo) measures taken to prop him up. I feel like Dan got caught in that trap with demands or conditions placed on him to help out the QB and the new Offensive minded head coach. 
And my biased opinion is that it was still all Bryce centric. Micro managed and solely focused on making him a viable player after his first disastrous season. Mandated to help the offense in that draft. 
I feel like my speculation is reasonable given the climate and situation, and it includes the reasons we didn’t take a C, the reasons we overdrafted a RB and that particular WR. It was totally need based. Perceived needs. All to maximize Bryce. 
 

And if it were me, and I wanted the GM slot of my team that I came up with, I would be willing to accede to the agenda that I feel was in place. The goals he had to meet. 

It is pretty simple, just put Bryce’s needs at the center of everything that was done and work your way through it. 
I have no idea or inside info, and people have mocked my opinion for it but that is what it is, it still makes sense to me. 

A team should do everything they can to prop up their investment in a QB regardless of who it is. 

[WarPanthers89]

Article:

Panthers executive vice president Brandt Tilis is interviewing for the Falcons’ president of football operations job, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports.

The Falcons have also requested to interview Lions COO Mike Disner.

The team is expected to offer the newly created position to former Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan.

The Panthers hired Tilis in January 2024 to work with General Manager Dan Morgan on cap and salary negotiations.

He previously spent 14 seasons working in Kansas City, including the final three as vice president of football operations. Tilis also worked as director of football administration (2017-20) and director of salary cap and football operations analytics (2014-16) after originally joining the Chiefs in 2010 as a salary cap/contract analyst.

He was the lead negotiator on Patrick Mahomes’ contract.

The Falcons also are searching for a new General Manager and head coach after firing Terry Fontenot and Raheem Morris earlier this week.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/falcons-to-interview-panthers-executive-vp-brandt-tillis-for-president-of-football-ops

 

Edited yesterday at 11:28 AM by WarPanthers89

[uncfan888]

Yeah we already complained about it haha

[*FreeFua*]

Probably best to just enjoy this weekend for what it is. A playoff game 

With Shough in NO. Atlanta with a talented roster being an attractive destination for a HC, GM and then new QB. Tampa will be competitive again.

We have the least talented roster in this division and it might be another long wait between playoff trips

[WarPanthers89]

Damn. I missed the other article posted. Mods feel free to delete 

[strato]

6 hours ago, csx said:

A team should do everything they can to prop up their investment in a QB regardless of who it is. 

What a noble idea. Maybe you should get a coffee mug with that printed on it.

So if your QB is Fasani, or Clausen, you gonna say that? 

My coffee mug says maybe a team needs a QB that doesn’t need all that poo. That can prop up the other guys. That isn’t a black hole sucking resources that might be better allocated to prop up the team. 
 

[TD alt]

8 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm not trying to be cynical. We have 5 drafts to judge Dan on. 3 that were pretty bad cumulatively that Dan was Assistant GM and 2 as Head GM, 1st bad, 2nd good. The point I was trying to make is we lack enough information at this point to judge Dan one way or the other to say Dan has earned our trust as a team builder. I think some skepticism is still warranted based on the things that have happened at minimum over the past 2 years. 

I'm skeptical of his abilities as a GM still. That's all. 

I agree somewhat, in that we don't know whether Dan is going to work out yet because there hasn't been enough body of work, but I disagree with the sentiment that we have five drafts to judge him on, because we really only have two. Assistants, by their very nature, aren't generally the decision makers, the buck stops with the GM. I have seen it throughout life. An assistants job is exactly that: to assist. Your role as an assistant is to toe the company line, not to make executive decisions. Dan could've been in lock step or philosophically opposed to some of the personnel moves behind the scenes. We will likely never know how much involvement, much less agreement Dan had  In those discussions and calculations. That's why I am solely focused on his time as GM.

One thing I will say, is that things have improved since Dan took over the job, notwithstanding fundamental personnel challenges we have on the team right now. And let not forget that Morgan took over a train wreck that at least was not fully his making, if at all.

Edited yesterday at 01:15 PM by TD alt

[Tr3ach]

11 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

I like Tillis but I trust Dan to find another bean counter 

I trust Tillis more than Dan