Should Canalas bring someone else in to call offensive plays?

[Jackson113.2]

There's a lot of decent oc out of a job right now, I hope someone in the office at least brings in a few to interview. 

[ProcessBlue2]

Dave would rather be fired

[Khyber53]

I think that the Head Coach's duties during a game are to keep tempo up, handle issues that have arisen on the unit that is off the field, to manage the brakes/gas/clutch juggling and to cheerlead the players. An offensive coordinator, sitting in the sky box with an all-field from above view should be calling plays with some guidance from the HC.

Canales can lead men but he has trouble delegating and, more importantly, he can become too timid. We need an OC who attacks and exploits. Not someone standing on the sidelines trying to juggle geese AND get plays in on time. 

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, strato said:

We could quibble about was that an answer to what I asked but I  don’t see it as being one. Look, he agreed to this Evero thing. Up front. Apparently anyway. Took the job with those conditions in place. I buy that and will work off of it. 
This play calling issue isn’t the same thing. I am not in the mood to delve into Canales’ shortcomings and get out the pitchforks at the moment.
I will abstain from that topic and stick to the quandary the dissenters who want to usurp his play calling power, find themselves in. As far as that goes I am still on the fence and think the play calling is Bryce centric and the play selection/playbook is affected. That does not mean I know that if the playbook was open he would be great play caller. Just that he is hampered right now. 

Inserting an OC not of Canales’ approval changes the original parameters of the assumed agreement. 
Unless you think Tepper placed a contractual prescription to allow Tepper to dictate that he can insert a play caller of his choosing after a time period if he is not satisfied with Canales’ work. 
Which, do you really think that is in play?  I do not. 
 

Unless it is, Canales has the option to yea or nay. As I said, it could be forced on him. But they only do that if they want him out. 
And as of now his stock is up, I would have to say I don’t own any but I think it is up. He had the stadium rocking, the team in the playoffs, and has that sorry lil draft pick trending upward. Even at this very low rate.  I think he has ‘hand’ right now as they say on Seinfeld. This is something that may get play in the 2026 season, not now. IMO. 
 

 

Forcing a coach to fire a coordinator is a common NFL occurrence. In this case it would be forcing him to fire himself from those duties.

[KillaCamNewton]

IMO you only fire a coach for a few reasons

1. He isnt getting the most he can out of the roster/talent - can’t say that applies to Canales

2. He’s lost the locker room and players are checked out - I would say that’s not the case and the complete opposite with Canales

3. Team keeps coming up short in the playoffs with a Super Bowl level roster and they just need to make a change to see if a new coach can get them over the hump (think McDermott if the Bills don’t make the Super Bowl again) - Obviously that can’t apply to Canales yet

4. It has simply run its course and become stagnant and a change is needed (John Harbaugh) - Again doesnt apply to Canales

 

 

[strato]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Forcing a coach to fire a coordinator is a common NFL occurrence. In this case it would be forcing him to fire himself from those duties.

That generally happens when the coach is on the hot seat and on the way out. Having a hard time thinking about where a guy was forced to change and he wasn’t out the door not that long after.  
 

They ain’t firing him, they ain’t looking at firing him. 
 

Morgan actually said it was something that would be discussed but I felt like he wanted it to be Canales’ decision. Which goes to my question of how do you insert a guy etc… maybe they figure it out. 

[Soul Rebel]

The only option that allows both Dan and Dave to win here, is promoting Idzik to OC.

This way, Dave can focus on the overall team concept and make sure he’s a HC more than a glorified OC that is overwhelmed. By the same token, I assume Idzik’s philosophy is a carbon copy of Canales’ since they’ve been connected at the hip forever. 
 

Much like marriage, this is the compromise and both leaders get what they want….while giving in to appease the other. 

[ForJimmy]

12 hours ago, Moonraker said:

If you bring in an OC to call plays and he's a stud he will be gone in 1 year and you are right back where you started (over and over again). 

The hope would be that people under/around that OC would learn some things from him.  

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

The only option that allows both Dan and Dave to win here, is promoting Idzik to OC.

This way, Dave can focus on the overall team concept and make sure he’s a HC more than a glorified OC that is overwhelmed. By the same token, I assume Idzik’s philosophy is a carbon copy of Canales’ since they’ve been connected at the hip forever. 
 

Much like marriage, this is the compromise and both leaders get what they want….while giving in to appease the other. 

I would prefer someone from the outside to help grow Dave or Idzik as a playcaller.  He has some potential but there have been several games where he was simply outmatched by his opponent.  Dan leaving it to Dave means I kind of doubt it will happen, but it would do this staff a lot of good if it did.  

[jtm]

This is a rare situation where the fans are probably more objective than the front office because Evero should be gone and Canales should give up play calling.  Neither of these things will happen because Morgan and Tepper don't want to impact any momentum now that this team is finally somewhat relevant and competing.  

[Soul Rebel]

21 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I would prefer someone from the outside to help grow Dave or Idzik as a playcaller.  He has some potential but there have been several games where he was simply outmatched by his opponent.  Dan leaving it to Dave means I kind of doubt it will happen, but it would do this staff a lot of good if it did.  

Agreed, an outside playcaller that could use some of Dave’s concepts and “big picture” while infusing some fresh ideas and more fluid within-game adjustments would be welcomed.

I also think our running game became very predictable and stalled out towards the end. It looked like the playbook wasn’t deep enough and they didn’t do a good job of Bryce being under center/empty backfieding it way too much. 

[PantherChris]

Yes he absolutely should. 

 

He is horrible at game management IE CLOCK MANAGEMENT and his offense is actually pretty well designed hes just bad at calling plays.

[Panthering]

No, we should just deal with his inconsistencies in hopes that he improves at play calling and being a head coach during the game. It'll be worth the payoff if it works out, since then losing an OC wouldn't be so penalizing for us. 

[strato]

6 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

The only option that allows both Dan and Dave to win here, is promoting Idzik to OC.

This way, Dave can focus on the overall team concept and make sure he’s a HC more than a glorified OC that is overwhelmed. By the same token, I assume Idzik’s philosophy is a carbon copy of Canales’ since they’ve been connected at the hip forever. 
 

Much like marriage, this is the compromise and both leaders get what they want….while giving in to appease the other. 

He already is the OC. Canales let him call some plays during the preseason.  He is greener than Canales in that role. 
 

We could get lucky and he could be really good, naturally, but that is a long shot.