Wild Card QB Performance Rankings

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

I guess the 4th year gives him a raise but not huge.
If the 5th year money is not guaranteed, neither is the job. He can be traded. If it is guaranteed, trade is not good but 13.25 mil in 2027 and again in 2028 is the price. 
Someone said 5th year is not guaranteed like the first 4, I haven’t looked into it.

This isn’t really out of hand yet to the point it hampers us in a disastrous way. When they give him a new contract? That is when poo gets too real.  

The 5th year option is $26.5 million fully guaranteed.

[cranky]

59 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I’d have rather seen a pick from forcing a ball to TMac or Coker 

Wait, you would rather have Bryce throw a pick than throw a catchable ball to a receiver who dropped it because he was a rookie. That is some strange logic there.

 

[electro's horse]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

 

It's the whole Bryce conundrum.  His role is to lift boats.  Instead it's the rookie who doesn't really get passes needed to make all the adjustments. 

No one even pretends to expect first round qb production from bryce anymore.

The goalpost has moved to him being better than an unknown free agent. 

[strato]

20 minutes ago, frankw said:

The 5th year option is $26.5 million fully guaranteed.

Makes a trade tougher on our cap doesn’t it? All guaranteed money becomes due the instant you trade the player. Pretty sure. But not 100%, I plan on looking. I remember looking last year when he was benched.  Drooling over the possibilities lol.  
 

I know a release allows the post June 1st designation. 

Edited January 15 by strato

[cranky]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Someone has already circulated the zoomed in picture and the ball is at his knees.

I would have liked Horn to haul in that pass just as much as anyone else. But the throw absolutely could have been better. I'll never agree with anyone that says there was nothing wrong with the throw. The lack of consistent ball placement has been a point of contention here and for good reason.

Regardless. I don't necessarily fault Horn here because as I said in previous posts he never should have been in that position. Whether it's Canales or Bryce that drive was unacceptable. We had 3 timeouts a decent amount of time to try and get in field goal range and we failed in pitiful fashion. Unacceptable.

The lack of consistent ball placement has been a point of contention here and for good reason.

This season Young has a 16.4% bad throw rate. That's the best of his career. For comparisons, this year CJ Stroud is at 17.6% and Caleb Williams is at 20.7% so Young is more accurate than both of them. Baker is at 15.7% but for his first 5 seasons, he was between 17.9 and 20.9 so while slightly behind Mayfield currently, he is better than him at the same point in their respective careers. Saying he is inaccurate is simply untrue this season.

I don't necessarily fault Horn here because as I said in previous posts he never should have been in that position.

To me, that's an insult to Horn but that's besides the point. Against the Dolphins, the Panthers faced a 4-5 with 3:31 left in the game. Bryce hit Horn for a 17 yrd completion picking up the 4th down and leading to a score for the win. So I don't understand why you wouldn't think he could do it again.

As far as the ball placement, every analyst and former player I have heard has stated Horn should have made the catch. Not one of them has said a thing about the pass being bad or that Bryce should have thrown it better.

Edited January 15 by cranky

[frankw]

35 minutes ago, strato said:

Makes a trade tougher on our cap doesn’t it? All guaranteed money becomes due the instant you trade the player. Pretty sure. But not 100%, I plan on looking. I remember looking last year when he was benched.  Drooling over the possibilities lol.  
 

I know a release allows the post June 1st designation. 

At this point as fans I think we have to put any trade scenarios out of the realm of possibility. I feel like the only way we move on is a release and that is only contingent on him having a truly dreadful season. Unfortunately my gut tells me we are staring down the barrel of a long term extension so long as he has a marginally decent season. That's how far we've lowered the bar.

[onmyown]

The burden is to spin three years of data, not one game. And this one game does spin those three years.

He played well, no one will argue that. But losing your way into the playoffs doesn’t mean all that much.

Simply look at the QBs left in the playoffs. Yes they are hard to find but they’re not all anomalies. You have to find one of that caliber to win your way in and keep winning.

And in looking at three years of play, not just a game, Young is not that.

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

Wait, you would rather have Bryce throw a pick than throw a catchable ball to a receiver who dropped it because he was a rookie. That is some strange logic there.

 

I'm not even going to argue with that. But if Bryce throws a pick forcing it to TMac there with Horn running open underneath... 

Just realize that some folk will never like this kid. Always finding his fault if even remotely possible. 

Blaming the placement of that pass would be like blaming Stafford for the Puka drop earlier in the game. I mean it hit him in the helmet. He should have thrown it to his chest.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

Wait, you would rather have Bryce throw a pick than throw a catchable ball to a receiver who dropped it because he was a rookie. That is some strange logic there.

 

Yeah I would have rather seen us go down forcing the ball to our play makers instead of what happened.  What we did gave us virtually no chance, even before 4th down.  But yeah that play shouldn't have been drawn up for Jimmy Horn Jr.

[fanpanther]

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

No one even pretends to expect first round qb production from bryce anymore.

The goalpost has moved to him being better than an unknown rookie

each of the past 3 yeara byoungs y/g passer rating and qbr all have been between 30th and 24th.  up and down he hasnt improved he had the atlanta game thus year and a few ok games but didnt even eclipse 300 yards but 2 games and one of those 2 againdt arizona he got 300 bc he was trying to come back from a blowout he caused by playinf horrific.  i just dont see what everyome else sees maybe i am the one with the issue bc i cant see his greatness.  i woild rather an udfa rookie next year at qb

[cranky]

10 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yeah I would have rather seen us go down forcing the ball to our play makers instead of what happened.  What we did gave us virtually no chance, even before 4th down.  But yeah that play shouldn't have been drawn up for Jimmy Horn Jr.

I've already posted this but I think it's worth repeating here:

"To me, that's an insult to Horn but that's besides the point. Against the Dolphins, the Panthers faced a 4-5 with 3:31 left in the game. Bryce hit Horn for a 17 yrd completion picking up the 4th down and leading to a score for the win."

So what was wrong with using Horn on that down given they had done it before - with success?

It just seems to me people are trying to belittle Horn just to make Young look bad. I can understand you not liking Young, and don't have a problem with it, but I'm not sure I can understand insulting another player just to make something fit your narrative. 

Edited January 16 by cranky

[strato]

30 minutes ago, cranky said:

I've already posted this but I think it's worth repeating here:

"To me, that's an insult to Horn but that's besides the point. Against the Dolphins, the Panthers faced a 4-5 with 3:31 left in the game. Bryce hit Horn for a 17 yrd completion picking up the 4th down and leading to a score for the win."

So what was wrong with using Horn on that down given they had done it before - with success?

It just seems to me people are trying to belittle Horn just to make Young look bad. I can understand you not liking Young, and don't have a problem with it, but I'm not sure I can understand insulting another player just to make something fit your narrative. 

Nah, just because someone would rather put the eggs in the main guys’ basket on a complete it or go home play doesn’t equate to dissing the least experienced WR on the field in order to make Young look bad. That’s ridiculous frankly. 
 

You supporters do act like no one has any grounds to criticize 4 and out with three timeouts and 30 yards to gain. It was pretty disappointing, you have to admit. 
 

This other stuff with the negative on him, well let’s see how the season starts next year, it is all over but the arguing for 2025.  
 

We, understandably, do not want to be in a Tua situation long term. 
 

Myself, I have stated pretty clearly what it will take to drop my misgivings and as good a few games as he did put together, that bar has not been met. And if you want to win in the NFL your QB  has to unlock this poo. 
 

Raise the floor, make it consistently repeatable, and the other thing is be able to beat someone with the arm, when made one dimensional. 
How the hell is that unreasonable? We are looking at 4 years. 
 

 

Edited January 16 by strato

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

I've already posted this but I think it's worth repeating here:

"To me, that's an insult to Horn but that's besides the point. Against the Dolphins, the Panthers faced a 4-5 with 3:31 left in the game. Bryce hit Horn for a 17 yrd completion picking up the 4th down and leading to a score for the win."

So what was wrong with using Horn on that down given they had done it before - with success?

It just seems to me people are trying to belittle Horn just to make Young look bad. I can understand you not liking Young, and don't have a problem with it, but I'm not sure I can understand insulting another player just to make something fit your narrative. 

Horn wasn't even a legit receiver on the team all year.  It makes no sense and neither does anything you said.

[cranky]

50 minutes ago, strato said:

Nah, just because someone would rather put the eggs in the main guys’ basket on a complete it or go home play doesn’t equate to dissing the least experienced WR on the field in order to make Young look bad. That’s ridiculous frankly. 
 

You supporters do act like no one has any grounds to criticize 4 and out with three timeouts and 30 yards to gain. It was pretty disappointing, you have to admit. 
 

This other stuff with the negative on him, well let’s see how the season starts next year, it is all over but the arguing for 2025.  
 

We, understandably, do not want to be in a Tua situation long term. 
 

Myself, I have stated pretty clearly what it will take to drop my misgivings and as good a few games as he did put together, that bar has not been met. And if you want to win in the NFL your QB  has to unlock this poo. 
 

Raise the floor, make it consistently repeatable, and the other thing is be able to beat someone with the arm, when made one dimensional. 
How the hell is that unreasonable? We are looking at 4 years. 
 

 

Horn had a 73.3% catch rate for the season with 0 drops up till that time and the one time he was thrown to on 4th down he caught it for 17 yards. He showed he could get open, he showed he had a good catch rate and he showed he could be counted on under pressure (catching the pass on 4th down.) The poster saying he would rather throw an interception than throw to Horn with those stats is not just rediculous, it's also insulting to Horn. 

And I know how you feel about Bryce. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Edited January 16 by cranky