Brandon Beane vs Dan Morgan

[kungfoodude]

18 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think you have to look at Beane's outcomes in Buffalo (a team that was a shambles when he got there) and see how they were able to come from the cellar into the catbird seat for nearly a decade, supplanting and eventually uprooting the legendary Pats and Belichick.

Morgan has had... it's probably too early to grade Morgan's effort. Our move from the cellar upwards coincided with some crashing under their own weight by our division mates.

Straight up, though, I'd take Beane in a minute.

I think Beane got moved out of his GM role for some valid reasons. He shares a lot of the blame for a bunch of critical FA whiffs and poor draft picks. Also, he has made a lot of passionate "defenses" of his errors in the media and blamed some of their lack of draft success on not picking higher in the draft.

Based on his own words and actions, I would be inclined to want better for us. Now, is he better than Dan Morgan? Very possibly. I am just not convinced that is a high bar to clear yet.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, TD alt said:

I would give that illustrious characteristic/title to X, formerly known as Twitter. 

It's a tough call between Twatter and TikTok. The dumber people I tend to run across are heavy TikTok users. 

All social media is the worst posion humanity has ever created, though. Of that there is simply zero doubt.

[TD alt]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think Beane got moved out of his GM role for some valid reasons. He shares a lot of the blame for a bunch of critical FA whiffs and poor draft picks. Also, he has made a lot of passionate "defenses" of his errors in the media and blamed some of their lack of draft success on not picking higher in the draft.

Based on his own words and actions, I would be inclined to want better for us. Now, is he better than Dan Morgan? Very possibly. I am just not convinced that is a high bar to clear yet.

I heard on ESPN or Fox Sports, that Beane's role has actually been expanded. He's President of Football Operations, but he still retains his role as GM. 

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I heard on ESPN or Fox Sports, that Beane's role has actually been expanded. He's President of Football Operations, but he still retains his role as GM. 

If he is carrying a dual role, I suspect that the Bills will decline in the near future. The worst thing for someone with ego issues is expanding their powers.

[KillaCamNewton]

Beane took over in 2018 after Josh Allen was drafted. He's drafted 2 Pro Bowlers his entire tenure. James Cook and Dawson Knox

The Bills had a generational QB fall into their lap and have wasted his prime much like we did with Cam. Alot of parallels and it's even funnier when they've had so many of our former players and built their front office around our old employees

[KillaCamNewton]

9 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Gentlemen blew, was crazy the amount of defenders he use to have, didn’t want anyone associate with his staff 

did a great job getting us out of cap hell. also did nothing to make the team better once we had a roster good enough to compete for a super bowl

for a hawwwg mawlie enthusiast using first round picks on shaq and vernon butler which were luxury picks while strutting out the likes of nate chandler, byron bell, matt kalil, mike remmers to protect your franchise QB was malpractice. and then of course the norman fiasco and drafting kelvin benjamin over davante adams, jarvis landry and allen robinson and doubling down on devin funchess the next year. for a guy that "came from scouting" it was crazy how he drafted 2 tall unpolished receivers simply because Cam "threw high"

I remember him and Rivera thinking Byron Bell would be a better left tackle than right tackle because he was left handed lol

[Tr3ach]

I think a lot of huddlers are over rating Dan's eye for talent, but I hope youre right and im wrong on that.

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I think a lot of huddlers are over rating Dan's eye for talent, but I hope youre right and im wrong on that.

He has one contender for franchise worst draft(2024) and what appears to be one good to very good draft on his record. Free agency has been a very mixed bag.

I think most are still waiting to judge him completely. Honestly, it's gonna be at least 2-3 offseasons before making a completely fair judgement.

[Khyber53]

56 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think Beane got moved out of his GM role for some valid reasons. He shares a lot of the blame for a bunch of critical FA whiffs and poor draft picks. Also, he has made a lot of passionate "defenses" of his errors in the media and blamed some of their lack of draft success on not picking higher in the draft.

Based on his own words and actions, I would be inclined to want better for us. Now, is he better than Dan Morgan? Very possibly. I am just not convinced that is a high bar to clear yet.

I also look at his work there and match it up against the planned obsolescence that is part of the NFL as it sits now. Part of what creates parity here is that as a team ascends, the costs of its players go up, the position of its draft picks go down, it's great players age or get injured to often, their assistant coaches get poached for higher positions elsewhere. And even the best of managers can't hold that off forever. 

Great managers can only play the shell game for so long, covering one hole in the team while another wears through, betting it all on a small cadre of veteran stars, sifting through the diamonds in the rough, hoping for something great. Sometimes they can do it smartly, sometimes they just break and give in to the wrong contract here or there in a desperate attempt to hang onto something. Sometimes the voodoo juju just runs out and they find themselves catching up to that can they've been kicking down the road and they end up in cap hell for a couple of seasons.

And sometimes they're just the Jets.

And the managers are also at the mercy of the whole coaching deal... great coaches eventually falter -- their schemes become old school, their locker rooms change. It just all wears out over time and that's good for the whole of the league.vReally, did we want the Patriots to have yet another decade of dominance?

 

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I also look at his work there and match it up against the planned obsolescence that is part of the NFL as it sits now. Part of what creates parity here is that as a team ascends, the costs of its players go up, the position of its draft picks go down, it's great players age or get injured to often, their assistant coaches get poached for higher positions elsewhere. And even the best of managers can't hold that off forever. 

Great managers can only play the shell game for so long, covering one hole in the team while another wears through, betting it all on a small cadre of veteran stars, sifting through the diamonds in the rough, hoping for something great. Sometimes they can do it smartly, sometimes they just break and give in to the wrong contract here or there in a desperate attempt to hang onto something. Sometimes the voodoo juju just runs out and they find themselves catching up to that can they've been kicking down the road and they end up in cap hell for a couple of seasons.

And sometimes they're just the Jets.

And the managers are also at the mercy of the whole coaching deal... great coaches eventually falter -- their schemes become old school, their locker rooms change. It just all wears out over time and that's good for the whole of the league.vReally, did we want the Patriots to have yet another decade of dominance?

 

I think some of that is true but there are also organizations that somehow manage to weather the tide long term because they have competent management and ownership.

Steelers, Packers, Ravens, Seahawks, 49ers, etc. Those teams have gone through several cycles of ups and downs but maintained a baseline of success and potential contender status for the overwhelming bulk of those years. 

That's what you try to aim for. Long term competence and the ability to win, even if you are struggling with aspects of roster construction cycles.