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kungfoodude Grand Master

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12 hours ago, PantherBoy95 said:

The CMC trade felt good to me at the time, felt like a win/win for both teams for where they were and given McCaffrey's injury history at a position losing value rapidly.

Now in Hindsight, we should've received 4 future first rounders + George Kittle 😂.
 

He has missed 22.5% of his games with the 49ers versus the 26.1% of his overall games with us. I would say that he has definitively proven to be an injury prone RB. 

He was actually realistically probably worth less than we got for him. 

Also, to compare to other HOF caliber contemporaries:

Derrick Henry: 8.2% of his career games missed.

Saquon Barkley: 20.3% of his career games missed.

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18 hours ago, frankw said:

Does anyone know anyone else that thinks he is an MVP candidate in line with quarterbacks? Honestly the only reason he is in these conversations is because he has literal Stan's in the media sphere. How many playoff games now have they lost by double digits with him? They even had to create an all purpose yards category to get him in an All Pro slot. Comical.

I don't know about the stans but he's at times been like 60 percent of the offense on a playoff calibre team. He put up 1202 rushing yards and 10 touchdowns, then had effing 102 receptions for 924 yards and seven receiving touchdowns. He touched the ball 413 times this season (an average of 24 times per game.) Then you have to add in that he's a hell of a blocker when called upon.

Without him, the injury depleted 49ers in a hot NFCWest division don't make the playoffs at all. 

If that isn't the Most Valuable Player on the team then who should be? The idea that it is an award solely for QBs is just narrow.

Edit to add: Will he win it? No. 

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20 hours ago, CBDellinger said:

Fair.

 
throw in the rumors of him not wanting to play even to he was cleared by the team doctors… I dont think he wanted to be a panther. 

Rumours? He literally didn't play for us - loads of 'soft tissue' injuries. 

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2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

I don't know about the stans but he's at times been like 60 percent of the offense on a playoff calibre team. He put up 1202 rushing yards and 10 touchdowns, then had effing 102 receptions for 924 yards and seven receiving touchdowns. He touched the ball 413 times this season (an average of 24 times per game.) Then you have to add in that he's a hell of a blocker when called upon.

Without him, the injury depleted 49ers in a hot NFCWest division don't make the playoffs at all. 

If that isn't the Most Valuable Player on the team then who should be? The idea that it is an award solely for QBs is just narrow.

Edit to add: Will he win it? No. 

This makes an interesting case for two awards: Best QB (We'll workshop the actual title) and MVP-Other.

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21 minutes ago, cvlngnir said:

This makes an interesting case for two awards: Best QB (We'll workshop the actual title) and MVP-Other.

MVQ, and MVP. It can be the same guy winning both in rare seasons. Sort of like Cy Young award and MVP in baseball. Can be the same guy but usually isn’t. 

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18 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sometimes trading a great player is the right decision for the organization. Like the Lions and Stafford. Stafford had been in Detroit putting up good numbers for years and they just couldn't figure it out and with him aging they made the right call that they probably weren't gonna figure it out before he went on the decline and decided to move him for a huge bounty. It obviously paid off for the Rams but the Lions have also had four winning seasons in a row now. It hurts to move a franchise player but sometimes it's the right move for the overall organization.

yeah idk, this is year 5 for Stafford in LA and he probably just won MVP. Meanwhile the lions have Jared good but not good enough Goff. If he collects a 2nd SB then man. Tough one to swallow.

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1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

Rumours? He literally didn't play for us - loads of 'soft tissue' injuries. 

He has had the same in SF.

Based on his injuries there, he is likely overtraining and overworking himself. I know they specifically linked his long term injury at SF to overtraining specifically.

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34 minutes ago, SOJA said:

The issue and always will be that the Panthers have not drafted well for a long time until this past draft. Everything looks better when you have young replacement talent coming in 

1. A true franchise changing QB

2. A team that drafts well 

If you don't have either of those two, there's nothing you can do to be good IMO. As well all know all too well. 

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45 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Nothing about CMC leads me to believe he is sandbagging. He is too much of a competitor.

He is just insanely injury prone.

I mean he's like a soccer player playing running back.  I know he put on some muscle but still, he's a small guy.  Mazda Miata in a destruction derby was how Rivera used him.

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    • frankw
      Don't be greedy.

      By frankw · Posted

      Tomlinson was a dog. I think CMC is one of the best to ever play as a swiss army knife type of weapon. In terms of pure punishing bruising runner he cannot hold Tomlinson's jock. LT was a literal Ironman. 9 years with the Chargers never played less than 14 games in a season. Missed 3 games total. 12,490 yards. 138 touchdowns. That's an MVP candidate. Since 2020 CMC has missed 57 games. Fifty seven. You can't be the most valuable from the bench brother.
    • kungfoodude
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      By kungfoodude · Posted

      I never buy until that. The list of sub 5-10 NFL RB's is long.  He is bulky enough but I think he just habitually overtrains and he gets a ton of mileage. That's my theory.
    • HeelsPanthersCanes
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      By HeelsPanthersCanes · Posted

      They aren't truly better post trade.  Stafford was traded after the 2020 season.  Dan Campbell became head coach the next year, Ben Johnson elevated to OC the year after that.  That's why they were "better" post trade, until Johnson left.  With those two calling the shots, and Matthew Stafford, the Lions would have at least one Super Bowl this decade.  Also, Jamhyr Gibbs, Sam LaPorta, Amon St Brown, Jameson Williams, and David Montgomery were all added post trade, which would've given Stafford more talent than he was ever surrounded by in Detroit.  With respect to Megatron.
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