Who was the better HC - Rivera or McDermott?

[t96]

Offseason discussion as we await the draft… 

 

With McD getting fired recently I thought this would be an interesting question. Rivera had the higher peak with 15 win season and a SB appearance. McDermott obviously had way more sustained success but he had Josh Allen for way more of his prime than Rivera had Cam for.

 

I’d argue McD also had the better GM and overall rosters, despite Rivera having a few more elite talents than him. Both defensive minded guys although the Bills never really had an elite D under McD while Rivera had some incredible defenses (albeit with McD as DC for the best one in 2013). 
 

Rivera’s Washington tenure was rough on paper but I think he did solid to make the playoffs even with a losing record under that atrocious owner.

 

Who would you pick for HC of the two?

[LinvilleGorge]

This isn't even close.

Rivera never had back to back winning seasons and finished his career with an overall losing record at 102-103.

McD only had one losing season in 9 and had 7 straight 10+ win seasons and is currently only 4 wins away from Ron's win total but he has 53 fewer losses.

[Panthers Fan 69]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This isn't even close.

Rivera never had back to back winning seasons and finished his career with an overall losing record at 102-103.

McD only had one losing season in 9 and had 7 straight 10+ win seasons and is currently only 4 wins away from Ron's win total but he has 53 fewer losses.

But Ron at least got us to a superb owl and a conference title. Mcd didn’t do such a thing.  But I could be convinced both ways 

[pantherclaw]

Different teams. 

 

Every teams dynamics are different. 

[t96]

14 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This isn't even close.

Rivera never had back to back winning seasons and finished his career with an overall losing record at 102-103.

McD only had one losing season in 9 and had 7 straight 10+ win seasons and is currently only 4 wins away from Ron's win total but he has 53 fewer losses.

On the surface it appears that way but I don't think it's this simple. Rivera had Gettleman and Hurney as GMs, McD had Beane the entire time. Allen's prime has lasted wayyy longer than Cam's did. And while Rivera's record in Washington looks awful, given the context of the dumpster fire they were under Snyder I think he did well there all things considered. 

[h0llywood]

Tough.

Ron Rivera is one of the few to be 2x Coach of the Year, 3 NFC South Titles, and he's gone to the Super Bowl.

McDermott has been more consistent with a better winning percentage, and has 5 AFC East titles.

Perhaps Ron's COTY and Sean's winning% even each other out.

[Basbear]

Mcderp also stopped the 20 year pats dynasty. 

I feel its not close either, mcderp easy third round KO 

[strato]

53 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Mcderp also stopped the 20 year pats dynasty. 

I feel its not close either, mcderp easy third round KO 

I think if McD had been where he was when he went to be a HC, development wise, and had time traveled to be hired in 2011, we would have been better over the long haul.  It is just speculation, so big deal. 

[frankw]

There are different variables that you would have to include and consider. McDermott coached a franchise that was well ran and made good decisions overall for a number of years. Who could say how McDermott would have done on his own with the musical chairs and mismanagement of the Panthers FO through those years? But you also have to acknowledge the fact that Rivera's best years were with McDermott on staff. Rivera in the win loss column without him just isn't a pretty picture. From a head to head standpoint it is McDermott and it isn't close.

[Basbear]

12 minutes ago, strato said:

I think if McD had been where he was when he went to be a HC, development wise, and had time traveled to be hired in 2011, we would have been better over the long haul.  It is just speculation, so big deal. 

I agree, teams in the past have fired the HC in order to retain a coach on staff...hell it happened to Mcderp this year, rams in the past and Im missing another. 

The fall off for the Panthers team defense was huge once Mcderp leftd and Ron could not fix it even when he named himself DC. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

Looking at the utterly dysfunctional nature of the Panthers franchise, I'd say the best coach in our history (Rivera) might just be the best coach of all time.  Anyone who is moderate here would probably be godlike with a real franchise.