Myles Garrett Traded to Rams

[strato]

9 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Freeling pick has nothing to do with the trade. Rams gave up a future first not the first they gave up to draft the QB. Not sure why the QB matters at all for the Garrett trade discussion. Whether you like Simpson or Freeling is meaningless to the topic at hand.

I was responding to a post that specifically mentioned Freeling.
 

The Rams pick is relevant to their off-season as a whole and is noteworthy because it is anti win now which these other moves are.
Go gatekeep somebody else.  
 

Edited 13 hours ago by strato

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, poorboysrev said:

So you hate everything they're currently doing but are defending Fitterer?

who's defending fitterer? im explaining why he would have turned the deal down. no reason for a GM to tank when its for picks you won't be around to use. 

 

[poorboysrev]

2 hours ago, electro's horse said:

who's defending fitterer? im explaining why he would have turned the deal down. no reason for a GM to tank when its for picks you won't be around to use. 

 

I get you..you'd just think that engineering one of the best trade hauls ever might have helped his job security or at least his resume instead of looking like a dope for turning it down and then not being able to sign Burns. 

[frankw]

25 minutes ago, poorboysrev said:

I get you..you'd just think that engineering one of the best trade hauls ever might have helped his job security or at least his resume instead of looking like a dope for turning it down and then not being able to sign Burns. 

In 2021 the Panthers were 15th in sacks in 2022 when this trade offer was supposedly made we were 25th and by 2023 we were dead last in the entire league.

By comparison our offensive output was 30th in 2021 29th in 2022 and 32nd in 2023.

Simultaneously in 2021 we had given up the 5th most sacks in the league. And by 2023 we had given up the 3rd most sacks.

As much as people can rightfully say Fitterer was atrocious beyond words as a GM and talk about how much they wanted those picks. For one thing we were anywhere from awful to mediocre at best in drafting. And for two. No one actually wanted to wait around with the worst pass rush in the entire league and a bottom 3 passing offense paired with one of the worst offensive lines in the meantime. Either way you cut it with or without those picks at that time under that plethora of additional circumstances we weren't going to accomplish anything meaningful anytime soon.

[WhoKnows]

4 hours ago, strato said:

I was responding to a post that specifically mentioned Freeling.
 

The Rams pick is relevant to their off-season as a whole and is noteworthy because it is anti win now which these other moves are.
Go gatekeep somebody else.  
 

I was responding to both of you. His post made it seem like we could have grabbed Simpson and Garrett and you liked Freeling over Simpson. My point isn’t gatekeeping, it’s stating that the two things live in two lanes. You guys can argue about Simpson and Freeling all you want, has zero to do Garrett. Also, their offseason as a whole is win now after the move for Garrett. Simpson was one move for the future, everything else is win now.

[jtm]

Rams aren't afraid to swing for the fences in free agency and they have to be the Super Bowl favorites with this addition.  If Nacua can stay focused, I wouldn't bet against them winning the Super Bowl.  

[electro's horse]

13 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Also, their offseason as a whole is win now after the move for Garrett. Simpson was one move for the future, everything else is win now.

I find it funny that the Panthers aren't in win now mode, even though they have a 4th year qb on his rookie contract, just made a couple huge splashes in free agency, won their division last year and made the playoffs.

we all know it's bullshit. we're already on the backside of the Canales era. 

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, poorboysrev said:

I get you..you'd just think that engineering one of the best trade hauls ever might have helped his job security or at least his resume instead of looking like a dope for turning it down and then not being able to sign Burns. 

I feel like this trade just lives rent free in people's heads and keeps morphing into different things.

First thing is that the rumored trade was for future firsts. They wouldn't have any extra picks in 2023; the firsts would have been for 2024 and 2025. With very few exceptions, NFL GMs don't value picks that far away. You have to have a lot of job security to pull that off. Like Chiefs, Eagles, Rams kinda stability. That's obviously not the case with David Tepper, especially since he'd just fired his head coach. No GM except for like Howie Roseman is going to trade an asset you have now for a future asset you probably get to use. 

Second, at the time you'd have to assume these are first rounders late in the first round. Obviously currency is currency and the panthers need young players, but these weren't slam dunk top ten picks. At the end of the day there's one pick that separates a first and second round pick. 

Lastly, the only place that ever reported this trade was the Rams. All the reporters just repeated what McVay said and it became gospel. We have no idea how serious the negotiations were, if they ever really happened, if the offer was real, etc. And I personally believe McVay and Sneed are the kind of guys who would make up rumors like that to fug up other teams, mostly because I assume if I've thought of it someone smarter than me has. 

I don't know how you'd call it the greatest draft haul of all time. Firsts quickly lose their value the farther out they are and Burns had 16.5 sacks last season.

And anyway those picks would probably just been tossed into the burning inferno of the Bryce trade up so it's a moot point anyway. 

[rebelrouser]

Add another team likely to be in front of us in the draft taking a qb: Browns, Jets, and Cardinals.  And then we have to worry about Steelers trading up and Jones sucking in Indy. Surely the Falcons won't dump Penix this early will they? 

[Jackie Lee]

1 hour ago, rebelrouser said:

Add another team likely to be in front of us in the draft taking a qb: Browns, Jets, and Cardinals.  And then we have to worry about Steelers trading up and Jones sucking in Indy. Surely the Falcons won't dump Penix this early will they? 

Penix might not even beat out Tua this year. 

[UnluckyforSome]

Just now, Jackie Lee said:

Penix might not even beat out Tua this year. 

Not only that, but Penix might be damaged goods at this point and they just move on from him.

[Jackie Lee]

3 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Not only that, but Penix might be damaged goods at this point and they just move on from him.

I could definitely see them moving on from both and drafting someone. Tua's on a cheap 1 year contract and I doubt he'll play well enough to sign another big one

[strato]

19 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Penix might not even beat out Tua this year. 

He is on rehab for his 3rd surgery for a torn ACL. And no one questions his return to form.  PPL taking his return to previous ability as a given is really weird to me.

[CanadianCat]

3 hours ago, electro's horse said:

I feel like this trade just lives rent free in people's heads and keeps morphing into different things.

I appreciate that there are people on this board that look beyond the headline.. 

I feel like we have a bunch of these things where people forget the context of the decision, IE why we cut Cam...