Gabbert question

[antame]

The concern for Gabbert is that he isn't great under pressure. Like Clausen he doesn't make plays in crunch time. He is not a great leader and has limited intangibles. The things he lacks you can't fix by repetition or practice.

This is probably it.

Clausen doesn't make palys at all, of course, but beside the point.

[Liminy]

I will agree with everything said except that he is a leader and you can't fix him with coaching. I think he is the the best candidate that could become something if he had the right mentor and the right coaching. Doesn't mean I really care if the Panthers take someone else in the draft, at this point, I'm ready for it to be over. With that said, I do believe though that if they do pick Gabbert, I think some people will be surprised when he starts.

[Ricky Spanish]

The concern for Gabbert is that he isn't great under pressure. Like Clausen he doesn't make plays in crunch time. He is not a great leader and has limited intangibles. The things he lacks you can't fix by repetition or practice.

what? where did you hear that? those are the reasons why people consider him BETTER than clausen. he was a leader on the team, he was a captain as a Junior, and he is very very intelligent. he knows how to break down film and has a tremendous work ethic. his teammates love him. i don't know where you got that stuff from.

[Jaxel]

The concern for Gabbert is that he isn't great under pressure. Like Clausen he doesn't make plays in crunch time. He is not a great leader and has limited intangibles. The things he lacks you can't fix by repetition or practice.

+1 for pulling crap out your back end.

[antame]

I will agree with everything said except that he is a leader and you can't fix him with coaching. I think he is the the best candidate that could become something if he had the right mentor and the right coaching. Doesn't mean I really care if the Panthers take someone else in the draft, at this point, I'm ready for it to be over. With that said, I do believe though that if they do pick Gabbert, I think some people will be surprised when he starts.

If we pick Gabbert, I would be disappointed, but I wouldn't be surprised if he started because we don't have anyone else.

[teeray]

I see a guy who has very poor pocket presence. Other than that he does pretty well. But if he panics whenever he felt pressured in college then in the NFL where he is going to feel pressured on nearly every down you have to worry about him making good decisions or he will throw 20 picks or becoming like David Carr and just get sacked 5,000 times a year because you can't get rid of the ball.

[panthers55]

I will agree with everything said except that he is a leader and you can't fix him with coaching. I think he is the the best candidate that could become something if he had the right mentor and the right coaching. Doesn't mean I really care if the Panthers take someone else in the draft, at this point, I'm ready for it to be over. With that said, I do believe though that if they do pick Gabbert, I think some people will be surprised when he starts.

Just like we were surprised when Clausen started???

[panthers55]

what? where did you hear that? those are the reasons why people consider him BETTER than clausen. he was a leader on the team, he was a captain as a Junior, and he is very very intelligent. he knows how to break down film and has a tremendous work ethic. his teammates love him. i don't know where you got that stuff from.

Leadership is about making everyone better when you play. It isn't about being the boss because you are the quarterback but making big plays when you have to, rising to the occasion when everything rides on your play. Gabbert is not a great leader. Like Clausen he will work hard and try his best. Problem is his best isn't that great. It is the same problem Clausen has. He looks good on paper but in reality there is something off.

[antame]

Biggest thing for me is if you have the #1 overall, don't pick anyone you have doubts about at that spot, and it seems there are pretty strong doubts about Gabbert.

[Liminy]

Just like we were surprised when Clausen started???

I never knew what to think of Clausen. I had high hopes because of some things I had heard, I was more surprised Moore sucked it up than Jimmy coming in and getting his ass kicked. What I think about Gabbert is completely my own opinion, I'm not trying to proclaim him the 2nd coming of Christ or anything, but I think he will be good.

[davos]

Leadership is about making everyone better when you play. It isn't about being the boss because you are the quarterback but making big plays when you have to, rising to the occasion when everything rides on your play. Gabbert is not a great leader. Like Clausen he will work hard and try his best. Problem is his best isn't that great. It is the same problem Clausen has. He looks good on paper but in reality there is something off.

If his own teammates say he's a good leader along with his coaches and scouts, I think he could possibly be a good leader. yep

[antame]

I never knew what to think of Clausen. I had high hopes because of some things I had heard, I was more surprised Moore sucked it up than Jimmy coming in and getting his ass kicked. What I think about Gabbert is completely my own opinion, I'm not trying to proclaim him the 2nd coming of Christ or anything, but I think he will be good.

I think Clausen in the 2nd wasn't a bad pick last year. You hope for the best. I was surprised Moore was as bad as he was as well.

My take this year is, if we draft a QB 1 overall, he's going to start for this QB-less team, and he's going to have to perform, so if there are any significant doubts at all, don't take the guy.

[mav1234]

The concern for Gabbert is that he isn't great under pressure. Like Clausen he doesn't make plays in crunch time. He is not a great leader and has limited intangibles. The things he lacks you can't fix by repetition or practice.

Uh, why do you say he's not a great leader? There's evidence directly to the contrary, including from a player who only played with him for like 5 days and liked him so much he went on record saying how much he liked "B," which he didn't need to do. And this nonsense about not being good under pressure situations is also BS. Gabbert lead his team back in the 4th quarter to a huge win against the #1 team in the nation. Sure, maybe it wasn't in the SEC, but he was damn good in that game.

Gabbert has lead like half a dozen 4th quarter come backs in the last two years. Most of them came in 2009, but he did have a couple this year, most notably against Oklahoma.

While Gabbert is not the coolest under pressure in the pocket, this is not to say he can not stand in there and make throws, nor is it to say that he can't handle pressure. There's a big difference between pocket awareness and lacking the intangibles of a leader in big game situations.

[Lout]

There is so much 2nd hand info flying around here.. it's funny. Some people are re-stating rumors that were proved false. Firstly, his arm strength is exceptional.. right up there with Newton. I will repeat what Mike Mayock said about Gabbert's arm strength, "Way more than enough and can make every throw."

Truly, the only knocks on Gabbert are his poor Junior year (productivity wise), and most of all pocket presence. He feels pressure when there may be none at all, and he gets rid of the ball, sometimes making bad decisions while pressured.

His intangibles are off the charts.. whoever said his leadership and intangibles are poor is simply a Newton-nut hugger or plain ignorant. His accuracy is very good, better than any other QB prospect in this draft as far as accuracy goes. His throwing mechanics are near perfect, and his footwork is amazing for having played in a spread offense in college. Footwork is better than Matt Ryan's coming out of college.

I get all this info from Mike Mayock.. paraphrased of course.