Panthro's "Hollow suit" theory date back to 02?

[Kevin Greene]

any way you shake it profit over winning = terrible owner

The Panthers spend toward the Cap every year unlike Cincy etc..

Differenece is JR allows a complete football and Cap idiot like Hurney to run things years longer than he should have been.

Money is spent.

Stupidly.

The end result JR is a terrible owner if you're a fan no doubt regardless of profitability.

[Jackofalltrades]

TL;DR.

[natty]

I'm not one to defend JR, but Jenkins is an idiot. If that's the interview I think it is, then Jenkins was going on and on about how great the Jets are and how they 'treated him like a man'. Now we see that the Jets locker room spiraled into disarray. Perhaps Jenkins needed to be treated like a child, because he acted like a child. I don't take anything he says seriously since he has proven over and over again that he's a joke - a manchild.

[teeray]

*sigh* these threads get old. If it were that easy to just "decide" we want to be good everyone would be.good.

I know the old argument of not having back to back winning seasons, but some of you jackholes act like the majority of the Fox era never happened.

People conveniently forget some of the injuries (specifically to Jake on a couple of occasions and Smitty) that was the real reason we didn't have back to back winning seasons not anything ownership did or did not do

[CRA]

*sigh* these threads get old. If it were that easy to just "decide" we want to be good everyone would be.good.

I know the old argument of not having back to back winning seasons, but some of you jackholes act like the majority of the Fox era never happened.

People conveniently forget some of the injuries (specifically to Jake on a couple of occasions and Smitty) that was the real reason we didn't have back to back winning seasons not anything ownership did or did not do

You could argue....good teams don't have losing seasons bc of an injury to one stud player. Injury isn't something exclusive to us....all teams deal with it.

[magnus]

there is no doubt that JR meddles. You could argue that it's his right.

And yeah, he's not "the owner". He's a non-majority owner who would be very difficult to overthrow, but who essentially has to bring a profit, and if possible, wins, in that order.

It's not a coincidence that, if he's unsure of a coach's continuance, he doesn't fully support that coach. Happened in 2001, 2010, may be happening now. He doesn't want to pay that extra year of contract. It wouldn't be at all surprising to know that the years the mantra was "we're returning 21 of 22", that type thing, that JR was behind that, or that grand gestures like sending Hurney and company to Miami to get CJ, DW, and other Rosenhaus clients (followed by the statement about not being cheap) were his.

It's not news that he meddles, it's just an argument of to what detriment. If, in the end, Fox asserted more dominance and control over the last few years of his tenure, those weren't the better part of his tenure. But, the team is definitely going through a rut that coincides with JR's assertion of power instead of his son Mark, and that's concerning to a point.

I never liked Mark, always wanted a football man at the President position. But, it started to work out, and you felt like things were being groomed. Now, you never know.

[Gabeking]

[mountainpantherfan2]

I'm so confused....

JR is a bad owner because he only cares about turning a profit. So he should care more about winning....however everyone thinks of JR as being very passionate about winning but he's cheap...however he spends way too much money on players and is too involved in operations...however he is also not involved enough in the football operations and only cares about turning a profit...

The opening post is about the most assanine post I've ever seen on this board and that is saying a lot. Just say I hate JR no matter what he says or does and want a new owner. It would have saved a lot of time and energy.

I swear when the Panthers win the Super Bowl I garuntee someone will start a thread complaining no more than 3minutes of them winning about how we should have won more if it wasn't for JR.

[philit99]

First the man brought football to the Carolina's I remember the days when that statement was ridiculous. I suppose JR wants the team to stay in the Carolina's regardless of wins losses. Yes he is in it to make money, so are the investors. Panthers winning = money. The goal is two fold, assemble the best talent, and hire the best coaches. I pesonally believe JR is in the last stages of life, and wants to get the franchise back to where we used to be. The only ones who really deserve to gripe are the psl owners. Because we are the investors! Long live the panthers! Don't worry JR's days are numbered, then worry.

[Happy Panther]

When asked if the team has an interest in Harbaugh specifically, owner Jerry Richardson laughed off that idea, saying, “I’m sure it’s a nice man, I’d be happy to talk to him. I have not thought about talking to him as a head coach…. But I would be nice and cordial to him if I saw him.” Harbaugh is being pursued by Denver, San Francisco and the University of Michigan.

http://gridironfans.com/forums/carolina-panthers/149405-panthers-not-interested-stanford-coach-jim-harbaugh.html

[Anybodyhome]

The casual sports fan equates "success" to winning. Collegiate sports fans know only winning as being successful because the think college athletics are purely unpaid amateurs.

The sports fanatic, i.e, most people who post here and are far more involved in the game than simply tuning in on Sunday afternoons, equate success with both winning on the field and profiting as a business.

The vast majority of Panther fans have a lengthy history of being collegiate fans and, therefore, see a team that doesn't win and doesn't consider them to be a success. Consequently, most of them have gone back to watching collegiate athletics and couldn't care less about the NFL. Ask around, most sports fans are either college or pro fans- rarely do you see any casual fans who can follow both the pros and college.

The fan base in Charlotte is dwindling- most fans are returning to their college team(s) of choice and have given up on the pros. The remaining NFL Panther fans are becoming few and far between as the team continues to wallow in mediocrity while JR counts his money.

[OneBadCat]

The casual sports fan equates "success" to winning. Collegiate sports fans know only winning as being successful because the think college athletics are purely unpaid amateurs.

The sports fanatic, i.e, most people who post here and are far more involved in the game than simply tuning in on Sunday afternoons, equate success with both winning on the field and profiting as a business.

The vast majority of Panther fans have a lengthy history of being collegiate fans and, therefore, see a team that doesn't win and doesn't consider them to be a success. Consequently, most of them have gone back to watching collegiate athletics and couldn't care less about the NFL. Ask around, most sports fans are either college or pro fans- rarely do you see any casual fans who can follow both the pros and college.

The fan base in Charlotte is dwindling- most fans are returning to their college team(s) of choice and have given up on the pros. The remaining NFL Panther fans are becoming few and far between as the team continues to wallow in mediocrity while JR counts his money.

Do you have any proof to back that up? If anything we are becoming one the most popular underdogs in the league. Cam simply being here has given a boost to the fan base.

[Anybodyhome]

Do you have any proof to back that up? If anything we are becoming one the most popular underdogs in the league. Cam simply being here has given a boost to the fan base.

Proof to back what up?

The fact that I owned PSLs and missed fewer than 8 games during the 17 seasons I attended in Charlotte and I know what I see?

The fact that fewer and fewer seat owners whom I had grown accustomed to sitting with up until the 2008 post-season now attend games at all?

The fact that most of the people who did arrive to sit in the seats surrounding mine were different every week and explained to me they had purchased tickets on the corner outside the stadium?

The fact that more and more opposing teams' fans are now attending games? The fact that you can go to a game between the Bucs and Panthers and see plenty of Pittsburgh and Dallas jerseys?

The proof is simply opening your eyes at any Panthers home game and looking around.

[teeray]

You could argue....good teams don't have losing seasons bc of an injury to one stud player. Injury isn't something exclusive to us....all teams deal with it.

Unless you play in the AFC East or AFC West, then losing your QB is usually going to cost you a winning season.

And despite the untimely injuries, particularly to Jake, we still didn't have a record worse than 7-9 until 2010.