If Shula's play calls are so moronic, why don't we just audible?

[koolkatluke]

"Why doesn't Cam audible into more badly design plays from Shula playbook" " That also aren't adjusted to the changes in the game"???

 

 

DUH DUH DUH DUH.............

[PantherGuy]

I don't think Cam has the entire playbook at his disposal when he audibles. If he doesn't, then there's a limited selection of plays he can audible into anyway. All of them might suck, given Shula's apparent inability to effectively strategize for the other team.

[CelticCat]

Only an asshole would call a pass play in that situation anyway after how easily Arizona had been getting to Cam.

And thats a fair point, especially after Amini just went down. But that's a different issue. Rivera said we had a receiver open on the play, Cam just didn't have enough time. Its like the 4th down LaFell drop, a run play is more prudent but the play was there to be made if the players execute, Lafell and Smitty catch 2 gimmies, Wharton blocks and we dont throw Cam to the wolves in the final minutes and his stat line probably looks more even and we have a win to boot.

 

We can criticise the play calling all day but if you can't catch a 4 yard pass or 2 guys can't block 1 guy WTF?

[CPcavedweller]

Shula? Does Shula make Byron Bell sometime completely miss blocks. Does Shula make SS, Lafell and Olsen consistently drop balls? Does Shula fail to stop anyone when we really need it?

I love Cam, love this team but thanks to NFL rewind and the coaches film, you can see that our team is not good. Blame coaches all you want. I want to blame Rivera as well if but to change the culture but we kill ourselves every week.

So to put it plainly,

When Arizona started blitzing there were dump downs and open recievers and Cam didn't recognize them

Anything more than a 5 step (5 count) Bell couldn't hold his block on most occasions.

Our team drops the easiest passes.

But for the most part Cam was as accurate as I've ever seen him. His play was good but to lose like that there is room to improve obviously. Shula can't make adjustments and with a man leading the team, cam wouldn't miss those plays. He needs to be held accountable by the men on this team. Only then will we really see consistent improvement.

PS. What is Chris Wienke doing? Great QB coach and maybe a potentiL play caller?

[Udogg]

But for the most part Cam was as accurate as I've ever seen him. His play was good but to lose like that there is room to improve obviously. Shula can't make adjustments and with a man leading the team, cam wouldn't miss those plays. He needs to be held accountable by the men on this team. Only then will we really see consistent improvement.

PS. What is Chris Wienke doing? Great QB coach and maybe a potentiL play caller?

 

I felt like splurging and bought the NFL rewind. 

 

Cam was very accurate throughout the day.  However he was missing reads consistently.  It wasn't like last year where every pattern was 12-20 yards down field.  People here bash Lafell but he got open on a lot of short stuff.  Lots of plays where recievers saw the blitzes and went to hots and cam just didn't throw the ball.  Number 58 played spy all day.  There were underneath crossing routes between Lafell and Olsen where neither were covered and Cam didn't get the ball out in time. 

 

I think Cam main problem is anticipation throws.   He makes it harder on himself since he waits for players to get open before he throws the ball.  The only exception is the deep outs which he throws extremely well and is probably his best throw.   His accuracy is not the problem or better yet ..hasn't been the problem the last 2 games.  

 

My whole point is not to blame Cam.  It's to blame the team as a whole.  The team is killing themselves and it's frustrating because it's the same mistakes from the same people every year.   Somethings got to change.

[Rubi]

The fact that Shula failed to adjust the play calling to Arizona's blitzing tells me everything I need to know...

Shula:

"Gosh Arizona is blitzing like every other play...hmm we seem to be struggling..I don't get it...I'm calling deep passing routes and under center plays...they should be working....think Mike think!! What can we do to counter this.....their blitzing is so exotic...it's like they send 5-6 guys every time...!!"

[Anybodyhome]

That play didn't need an audible to a quick slant. What it needed was for Kalil or Wharton to pick up the block. Jesus, just block the guy in front of you, its not rocket science. Wharton slides to the left and does nothing, Kalil reacts too late trying to cover for Wharton's error presumably. Kalil did cop to some miscommunication.

 

I really wonder about this board sometimes.

 

Did you not see that neither Kalil nor Wharton picked up the rusher? He came in untouched with Wharton blocking nothing but air. So are you telling me Cam should have known the o-line would fug up that badly?

 

No QB would have had a chance in hell on that play.

 

Edit: Sorry Celtic Cat. I didn't read the whole thread before posting. Your response left mine redundant.

 

Thank you for adding to my point.

 

The entire play call was bad from the get go. The fact that Kalil caught his foot and Wharton whiffed as a result shows just how little room for error there was on the play. But neither of you answered the couple simple questions noted.

 

Why a 5 step drop deeper into the endzone? Who does that? Here's a clue- almost nobody. Most teams run the ball until there back isn't against the end line, like out to the 8 or 10 yard line.

 

Why was the play designed with no hot read? Why were none of the WRs looking for a quick-hitter?

 

There were more problems with the play design on that part of the field than there were with the execution. That was a play call for a time when you're not backed up in your own end zone and have a little room to operate.

[csx]

If one was just thinking about all the options and took in to consideration that that 70% of plays are changed via an audible one would have to at least take in to account the possibility that the audibles being called are not good. However, suggesting theoretical possibility here probably makes me a racist.

[Snake]

Shula? Does Shula make Byron Bell sometime completely miss blocks. Does Shula make SS, Lafell and Olsen consistently drop balls? Does Shula fail to stop anyone when we really need it?

I love Cam, love this team but thanks to NFL rewind and the coaches film, you can see that our team is not good. Blame coaches all you want. I want to blame Rivera as well if but to change the culture but we kill ourselves every week.

So to put it plainly,

When Arizona started blitzing there were dump downs and open recievers and Cam didn't recognize them

Anything more than a 5 step (5 count) Bell couldn't hold his block on most occasions.

Our team drops the easiest passes.

NFL rewind is great but only if you know how to use it. What you just said was prob 5% of the problem.

[Udogg]

NFL rewind is great but only if you know how to use it. What you just said was prob 5% of the problem

 

 

NFL rewind is great.  But only if you don't have an objective or bias before watching it.  If you think what I said was only 5% of the problem then I think objectivity may be 95% of yours.

[Snake]

NFL rewind is great.  But only if you don't have an objective or bias before watching it.  If you think what I said was only 5% of the problem then I think objectivity may be 95% of yours.

 

I am going to do a write up on here shortly to explain some of the problems with the offense and why its working the way it is. Im not saying you were totally wrong but you were not right either. As for objectivity you can look at any of my post and notice that I never blame anyone just point out what I see.

[Udogg]

I am going to do a write up on here shortly to explain some of the problems with the offense and why its working the way it is. Im not saying you were totally wrong but you were not right either. As for objectivity you can look at any of my post and notice that I never blame anyone just point out what I see.

 

Ok if your doing a deep write up that good.  I just put out what were some of the problems I saw. But watching the entire game you can see a plethora of mistakes by just about everyone.  Look forward to reading yours.

[thefuzz]

I felt like splurging and bought the NFL rewind. 

 

Cam was very accurate throughout the day.  However he was missing reads consistently.  It wasn't like last year where every pattern was 12-20 yards down field.  People here bash Lafell but he got open on a lot of short stuff.  Lots of plays where recievers saw the blitzes and went to hots and cam just didn't throw the ball.  Number 58 played spy all day.  There were underneath crossing routes between Lafell and Olsen where neither were covered and Cam didn't get the ball out in time. 

 

I think Cam main problem is anticipation throws.   He makes it harder on himself since he waits for players to get open before he throws the ball.  The only exception is the deep outs which he throws extremely well and is probably his best throw.   His accuracy is not the problem or better yet ..hasn't been the problem the last 2 games.  

 

My whole point is not to blame Cam.  It's to blame the team as a whole.  The team is killing themselves and it's frustrating because it's the same mistakes from the same people every year.   Somethings got to change.

 

 

Cam has always had issues with anticipation routes, and timing routes...lots of young QB's do.  Cutler was/is one of the worst, he needs to see a WR open before he makes the throw, it comes from years of having the best arms and being able to throw lasers into small holes.  It's just 10X's harder in the NFL.

 

I can't really "get" what this team is trying to do.  We have a QB that is best suited for a Coryell offense, but only a couple pieces outside of him to make it work.

 

Lafell, Smith, and the entire right side of the line are not well suited for the O that Cam needs to thrive in.  Olsen, Gross, Kalil, Stew, and Cam are the only pieces that fit well in a Coryell O.

 

I blame this on Hurney not being a "football" guy.

[MichaelNewtonII]

The Panthers offense never gets flowing until they go with some designed runs for Cam. The designed runs were made against NYG and opened up the offense very effectively... WHY NOT KEEP DOING IT UNTIL ITS STOPPED.