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WR at 28 Question

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I don't know much about Beckham, but looking at his game log, 6 of his 8 touchdowns came against Furman, Kent St, and UAB...and his only 2 conference touchdowns were from the Miss St game where LSU scored 59 points...

 

Meanwhile Cooks scored touchdowns in 10 different games.  I know the SEC is better than the Pac 12 but the Pac 12 is still pretty good and in a 5 game stretch to finish the year vs Stanford, USC, Oregon, Washington, and ASU he still put up 494 yards and 3 TD.

 

 

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Let's say the top-5/or guys talked about a lot are gone by 28:

 

Watkins, Evans, Benjamin, Matthews, and Lee

 

This can definitely happen imo because you have the Redskins, Lions, Jets, Ravens, Colts, and Chiefs at the very least who need wideouts pretty bad (albeit a few worse than others so they may not all necessarily take a WR).  Also, there's more than one wideout needy team past us that could trade up for someone.    

 

Now out of the remaining crop, would you take any at 28?

 

Most notables:

 

Allen Robinson

Odell Beckham Jr.

Brandin Cooks

 

I know it's dependent on what other guys are available but would you be content with any of those three at 28?

 

Not asking if you'd take them over an available CB, OL, or whatnot but if you would take a wideout outside that top-5 at 28.   

 

Good question.  Remember, Gettlemen will take BPA, and I do not think any of these fit.  HOWEVER, I can see Robinson, maybe Beckham at 28. 

 

The following will most likely be taken ahead of us:

 

QBs: (4)  Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel, Carr (Garropolo (sp) possible)

OTs (5) Matthews, Robinson, Martin, Lewan, Kouingido (sp)

DL: (4) Clowney, Ealy, Nix, Donald (Hageman, Jerinigan possible)

LB: (4) Mack, Barr, Ford, Mosley (Shazier possible)

DB: (2) Dennard, Clinton-Dix  (Gilbert, Pryor possible)

WR/TE: (4) Watkins, Ebron, Evans, Lee (Benjamin, Matthews possible)

 

So if you believe Gettlemen 100% about BPA, it should be a player above in parentheses who drops to us.  However, if they all go, we are looking at-  Of those players, I would be interested in:  Benjamin, Matthews, Gilbert, Pryor. 

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If no WR is available, we could to with:

OT Moses (watch him rise between now and May--he will be a low first rounder by then)

OG/OT Yankey (Some like him as a T)

 

 

 

 

 

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A GUY I'D LIKE US TO TAKE WITH THE 28TH PICK WOULD BE JORDAN MATTHEWS OUT OF VANDERBILT.. HE'S ONLY 21, HE'S 6'3" & HE SURPASSED THE HIGH EXPECTATIONS OF HIM TO BE A STANDOUT AT THE SENIOR BOWL... WOULD BE THE BEST BIG WR WE'VE HAD SINCE MUHAMMAD LEFT THE FIRST TIME.

Stop yelling at me!!!

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A GUY I'D LIKE US TO TAKE WITH THE 28TH PICK WOULD BE JORDAN MATTHEWS OUT OF VANDERBILT.. HE'S ONLY 21, HE'S 6'3" & HE SURPASSED THE HIGH EXPECTATIONS OF HIM TO BE A STANDOUT AT THE SENIOR BOWL... WOULD BE THE BEST BIG WR WE'VE HAD SINCE MUHAMMAD LEFT THE FIRST TIME. 

 

The scenario presented by OP had Matthews already being chosen and we were looking at who might be left at that point.

 

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I like this thread because i am trying to think the same thing. What if we a determined to get a WR in the 1st. At that point with those 5 gone, im not sure who i like i think we could use a big WR but not if he cant ever get open, or win jump balls. Cam has gotten used to throwing to Steve who gets open, and olsen who is good at finding an open spot. the reason we have long passes is that smitty is aging and takes longer to get off the jam, and olsen takes time as well. we either need to draft a huge guy who comes down with the high throws cam throws at times, or a shifty route runner who gets off the jam and wide open fast. the reason we dont get much YAC is we dont have alot of throws to guys in stride. we have guys barley getting open and having the DB right behind them. With a big WR you wont get much YAC unless they run over people. the issue with the YAC guys are they typically dont have the hands and catch radius to come up with some hard catches. with those 5 gone you have no great BIG guy who can dominate guys, so who is the best route runner with hands?

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Robinson and it was a easy choice for me between the 3.

People need to stop comparing all small WR to Smitty.

Unless they have that vertical Steve had Or the mean streak that he carries into every game. They won't be another Steve Smith.

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Not sure I understand the "Cooks is too small" argument when the same people love Steve Smith and others were begging for Tavon Austin if Star wasn't available last year.

I'd much rather have Cooks than Austin.

Austin took longer to make a impact on his offense then other WR'S drafted after him. Other bigger WR like Keenan Allen and Hopkins.

it takes a lot to be Steve Smith for some reason people think it's easy for every short WR to become Smitty. People need to understand there may never be another Smitty.

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I don't know much about Beckham, but looking at his game log, 6 of his 8 touchdowns came against Furman, Kent St, and UAB...and his only 2 conference touchdowns were from the Miss St game where LSU scored 59 points...

Meanwhile Cooks scored touchdowns in 10 different games. I know the SEC is better than the Pac 12 but the Pac 12 is still pretty good and in a 5 game stretch to finish the year vs Stanford, USC, Oregon, Washington, and ASU he still put up 494 yards and 3 TD.

Kerry Colbert and Dwayne Jarrett destroyed Pac 10 competition. Just saying.
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Robinson is the superior of the 3, and I like him overall.

He's quickly approaching my "This Is My Guy List."

Similar to Matthews, quicker, more explosive, wider frame. Would take him over Matthews.

We don't agree on many things. But I'm finding it hard to understand why people are down on Robinson. Big has Yac ability and produce with 2 different QB'S on a team hit by the Ncaa death blow with sanction. People get excited about Cooks YouTube highlights. Well have they seen Robinson's.
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Good question.  Remember, Gettlemen will take BPA, and I do not think any of these fit.  HOWEVER, I can see Robinson, maybe Beckham at 28. 

 

The following will most likely be taken ahead of us:

 

QBs: (4)  Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel, Carr (Garropolo (sp) possible)

OTs (5) Matthews, Robinson, Martin, Lewan, Kouingido (sp)

DL: (4) Clowney, Ealy, Nix, Donald (Hageman, Jerinigan possible)

LB: (4) Mack, Barr, Ford, Mosley (Shazier possible)

DB: (2) Dennard, Clinton-Dix  (Gilbert, Pryor possible)

WR/TE: (4) Watkins, Ebron, Evans, Lee (Benjamin, Matthews possible)

 

So if you believe Gettlemen 100% about BPA, it should be a player above in parentheses who drops to us.  However, if they all go, we are looking at-  Of those players, I would be interested in:  Benjamin, Matthews, Gilbert, Pryor. 

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If no WR is available, we could to with:

OT Moses (watch him rise between now and May--he will be a low first rounder by then)

OG/OT Yankey (Some like him as a T)

 

Good breakdown.  I'm definitely of the opinion Gettleman will continue the BPA trend so it will be interesting to see the process unravel.  If a good amount of OTs are gone, the BPA could very well be a Gilbert, Verrett, or Pryor but I do think Beckham and Robinson could be worth it at 28 and near the top of our board.    

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