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I don’t remember the Ahmad Green story. What happened there?

Right now maybe. But is it really worth locking in for two more years, or three more without seeing more?

What I like most about Bryce is that he plays well in the clutch. That’s arguably the most important thing and you can’t teach that. If he could just start making some chunk plays here and there I actually do think he could be the guy. I’m not convinced yet but he’s the best option we have right now.

Islanders Kings and Sharks aren't exactly the same level of competition though

And Tarkenton in particular played in an ancient era by today’s standards. The linemen were smaller and slower too. On average. The game wasn’t as fast, front to back. IMO anyway. I don’t think he could play today, the way he was known for playing back then. One thing, when they did catch you they could hurt you then with no penalty. You had to be really tough to play QB in those days.

Shoutout to Coach Gilbert!

I was too young to stay up late enough to watch the whole game so my mom recorded it on vhs which I watched over and over. Iconic game including the fan who got KO’d by Ahmad Green.

As he should. Belicheat tried to fool the other coaches so hard, he had people filming other coach's practices and attending other team functions. And he did it to the tune of six championships. Whenever it is brought up, people say things like "you do everything you can to win" or "if you aren't pushing the envelope you aren't trying to win". These things make a difference. There is an advantage to your opponent not knowing who will and won't be on the field.

XL, Coker, Horn, and a heavy dose of TE's should still be fine to catch 11 Bryce passes

It’s also a reverse hex.

Young, Tarkenton, and Brees were all “short” for their eras. Doug Flutie was downright tiny. Every one of them had a superpower to offset it, something that made their height irrelevant. I like the kid. I really do. But a superpower? Nah.

They have with a different team, but that fact remains. It was part of the reason Kalil did his "we're going to the SB". Cam got there in year 5, like the saying stated. I do think a duel threat is a huge % of what you need. The problem remains, QB is still played from the pocket. If you cannot avoid pressures, hurries, and sacks...You need those wheels to save you then. Tom Brady was the best in NFL at avoiding pressure, sacks etc and he had no wheels at all. Still its a package deal, cause I point out fields or AR. I think more time is needed and better teachers are as well. Buuuuttttttt the collective bargaining deal limits practices and training. I feel BY would improve if he was allowed to practice more, same goes for many other young QBs.....but there's no time, its right now or "Hey checkout this college QB..."

the only guy you are talking about is darnold, his skill set has always been exceptional but mentally he implodes in pressure, we saw it last year. Lets wait and see what happens as the year progresses with him.

Got my new workout jam. Hell yeah.

He's gonna do the Super Bowl halftime show after we make it this year.

Right, because if football players think their teammates suck at the game that means they dont like them in general as well...yeah that's how it works.

At this way too early point, i would be very happy with Arvell Reese. He can blitz from the off ball lb position but OSU also lines him up on the edge to rush the passer and he is very effective.

back in my younger days I used to try to wish players good. At this point, I now know a Josh Norman bad to great story is just something that can randomly happen. But you can't put stock and build off such beliefs. Those are random examples, you almost never see those coming. 3 years in, if you don't pass the eye test.....it's just the right call to play the odds that they ain't got it. Because it's basically overwhelmingly the right call.

I'm not, he doesn't have it... I just think bringing up his overall record is is irrelevant, especially since we've seen QB's in bad situations with bad teams go somewhere else and start winning, its just short sighted thinking

From the panthers official Instagram lol winning sure is fun https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQpCuYXkSpQ/?igsh=MXR5aTF1MXpyMTgzbg==

I get the sense most folks on this forum skew a little older. We’ve all watched enough football to know the difference between a Hall of Famer and a guy who just isn’t it. If you’re still looking at what Bryce brings and convincing yourself he’s something he’s not, you’re just holding on to the wish that we didn’t screw up the #1 pick.

I mean, but, sounds like an old wives tell.....because it's not true. Lots of QBs have won their first Super Bowl after 5 years in. IMO I think given the simplistic nature NFL offenses have trended.....there is less of a reason to wait around on players. QBs make easier throws. Athleticism matters. You either got it or you don't. NFL teams aren't going to build and rely on old NFL offenses because no one can step into those offenses. So you get your answer relatively quick today given what NFL offenses have simplified to.

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