When a student fails, do you blame the teacher?

[Jeremy Igo]

I am rewatching the game this morning, trying to see what the heck is happening with the offense. Going play by play, rewinding, watching again.

 

More times than not, the failings of the offense aren't at the hands of less physical talent, surprisingly. There are more missed assignments than physical mistakes. And not just small things either. Like when Clay Matthews lines up on the line and Nate Chandler does not even consider blocking him before he gets to J-Stew in the backfield. This is just a complete misunderstanding of what he should do out there, start to finish.

 

So let me ask you this.... do you blame the players? Obviously they are pro athletes that had to have succeeded at a college level. Apparently they can be taught. Or do you blame the coaches for not being good enough teachers in the film room and on the field. Are they not preparing the team adequately enough mentally. 

 

What say you?

 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

I'm honestly more prone to blame the coaches, even if it's a talent failure.

 

Rivera is just not a good talent evaluator.  He puts entirely too much faith in guys like Byron Bell and Captain Munnerlyn.  Much as I love guys who are all hard work and give 110% on every play, sometimes they're just not good enough.

 

[XClown1986]

Rivera has done more with less, so I think I have to put more blame on the players.

[Ja Rhule]

Coaches and GM.  GM for bad evaluation of talent and coaches for bad adjustments.  You cannot blame players if they suck... 

 

Look what we did in offseason...

 

OL

Gross > Bell

Bell > Chandler

Wharton>Turner

 

We replaced experienced older guys with bunch of young underachivers.  They might take time to gel.

 

D:

Mitchell>Harper

Mickell>DeCoud

Captain>Godfrey

 

Speed and physicality lost...  Can no longer defend slants and deep balls.

 

Most TDs and 3rd down made against Godfrey and Harper.  Those 2 are useless.

 

[hepcat]

It's top down man.  The salary cap is messed up, so there's no way to sign depth.  That's how your two starting OT's end up being guys who went undrafted...or used to be defensive linemen...

 

Problem I have is the defense is what is losing the Panthers games.  Rivera is a defensive head coach.  I know he can't be out there making tackles, but it's more than just that.  There's no pass rush, the secondary is regularly out of position, it's bad all around.

[RoaringRiot]

Everyone

Edit: that was a joke. I have nothing good to add.

[*FreeFua*]

Not to be a smart ass but a teacher doesn't choose to have a retard in their class. They simply get the next batch of kids and don't get to pick and choose.

Rivera, and CO. Chose to stick with Chandler and Bell and they're failing. I think for this example it falls back on the teacher.

You don't try turning the kid who sucks at math into a mathematician. The coaches tried turning a guy who sucked at RT into a LT.

[Matthias]

I blame coaches and management.  Our starting O-line is anchored by an undrafted guy who would barely pass as a back up.  At RT another undrafted guy, who was not drafted to play DT.  At LG is a guy who should have been a 7th or undrafted guy.  At the wideout position, we have no burners, and our RBs can't stay healthy.  Yet even if they could stay healthy, I'm not sure Barry Sanders himself would have success playing behind this paper offensive line.  On defense you have a lot of slow guys.  The coaches shuffles their best DTs in and out of the game, and no Greg Hardy.  I blame the teachers 100% because we're pretty much asking pre-schoolers to do college level work.

[XClown1986]

I'm honestly more prone to blame the coaches, even if it's a talent failure.

Rivera is just not a good talent evaluator. He puts entirely too much faith in guys like Byron Bell and Captain Munnerlyn. Much as I love guys who are all hard work and give 110% on every play, sometimes they're just not good enough.

Rivera isn't in charge of talent evaluation, but rather is in a position (and has been since he has gotten here) to make something outof nothing. Hopefully he is allowed to eventually pick guys on the open market he actually wants when the cap is fixed. But he has shown that he can at the very least build a top 5 defense anywhere he goes. That's talented in my book.

[twylyght]

If we give up on the players, what are our options this season? My bigger concerns with respect to coaching lies squarely with the defensive line. Of all the talent that is underperforming this season, this group leads the pack

[Mr. Scot]

Rivera has done more with less, so I think I have to put more blame on the players.

 

Rivera is one of the best defensive schemers in the league.  Nobody's done a better job of shutting down guys like Peyton Manning as a DC.

 

I'm not sure he's head coach material though.  I've begun to think last year was an aberration.

[PntherPryd]

I've thought about asking before but what exactly is the ratio of "class time" to actual practice?

 

I know the new CBA limited contact to a specific degree in practice, but does the CBA also place limits on class time during the week?

[Mr. Scot]

Rivera isn't in charge of talent evaluation, but rather is in a position (and has been since he has gotten here) to make something outof nothing. Hopefully he is allowed to eventually pick guys on the open market he actually wants when the cap is fixed. But he has shown that he can at the very least build a top 5 defense anywhere he goes. That's talented in my book.

 

Rivera is in charge of setting the depth chart, deciding who starts and who sits on gameday, etc.

 

Gettleman has also said that roster decisions - and even draft and free agent decisions - are a collaborative effort.  He believes in an 'inclusive' approach and takes input from Rivera before making any decision.

 

This, I believe, is a big reason why we rolled with Byron Bell and Nate Chandler.  Also why Charles Godfrey is still on the team.

[BigBoss]

Both. Nate Chandler sucks. But so do ur coaches... it's a combination that leads to getting blown out in many games..... which we have.

 

It's hard to separate the two honestly. There are PLENTY of guys who just don't get it and won't and don't perform well.

 

The coaches have to elevate the talent also, plain and simple. They've got to get these guys to do good....

 

 

 

but our offense line sucks, let's be clear. He was a undrafted DT, so I mean, how shocking is it he has no idea what to do playing tackle? Byron bell is just as awful and our guards have been pretty MEH. It really doesn't feel like it's just 3-4 defenses either. So you give a coach crap players like Bell and Chandler, well....

 

 

it's David g's fault thats what I say.