Why the Panthers Likely Won’t Have Comp Picks in 2016

[JawnyBlaze]

We basically need Bell and Blackburn to sign on somewhere in order to get that Hardy pick.

 

According to that article.  I'm not sure it works that way, having to have the number of players lost equal to or more than gained.  I think the year we lost Peppers he was the only one we really lost and we signed more but still got a third.  I think the "value" of the sum of losses is what's compared to the "value" of the gains, not body for body.  I could be wrong though.

 

[Bartin]

I know, I expect Bell and someone else to sign elsewhere. Teams gotta fill their 90.

If he's signed after May 12th then he wouldn't count in the comp pick formula which is a definite possibility for him.

[t96]

If he's signed after May 12th then he wouldn't count in the comp pick formula which is a definite possibility for him.

A lot of guys get signed right after the draft. It's possible we won't have 2 of our UFA's signed by other teams by then but I think we will. Many teams could use a Chase Blackburn and Bell has had a lot of interest.

[AU-panther]

According to that article.  I'm not sure it works that way, having to have the number of players lost equal to or more than gained.  I think the year we lost Peppers he was the only one we really lost and we signed more but still got a third.  I think the "value" of the sum of losses is what's compared to the "value" of the gains, not body for body.  I could be wrong though.

The year in question we lost Peppers and Feely and didn't sign anyone that counted against us.

http://www.panthers.com/team/history/free-agency-history.html

We actually received 3 compensatory picks that year. The third pick was awarded because there were only 21 compensatory picks awarded by the formula. The extra 11 picks were awared by draft order. The NFL awards 32 picks every year regardless of how many are eligible.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81ef2e1e/article/nfl-distributes-compensatory-draft-picks-to-23-clubs

There is an instance where the "value" of the sum can come into play and that is when a team has an equal number of players gained and lost. At that point a team can be awarded a pick if the value of their losses is greater then their gains based on criteria such as salary, awards, and playing time. Of these variables salary seems to have the biggest impact. Under the situations the awarded pick is often so far down the list it is not one of the top 32 and therefore not awarded. If it is awarded it tends to be one of 7th rounders.

[AU-panther]

A lot of guys get signed right after the draft. It's possible we won't have 2 of our UFA's signed by other teams by then but I think we will. Many teams could use a Chase Blackburn and Bell has had a lot of interest.

 

Not only do they have to sign with someone by that date, they have to qualify for the formula.  If those guys sign for the league minimum and don't play much it might not help us at all.

 

Not all unrestricted free agents qualify.  There seems to be a minimum threshold based on salary and playing time. For example, there is no guarantee that James Dockery counts for us next year.  Some guys at the league minimum seem to qualify and others do not.  Based on the overthecap.com article that I linked earlier playing time seems to play a factor in those decisions.

 

This would explain why Cason counted against us but Webb did not last year.

[Growl]

oh no not comp picks how will we ever be able to compete without comp picks

[jdpanther5]

Not only do they have to sign with someone by that date, they have to qualify for the formula. If those guys sign for the league minimum and don't play much it might not help us at all.

They'll qualify as 7ths, which is all we need to offset Trusnik and Coleman.

[AU-panther]

It's not guaranteed. Webb didn't last year.

[PantherMan89]

Bell isn't on the team anymore and he still finds a way to screw us over.

[JawnyBlaze]

The year in question we lost Peppers and Feely and didn't sign anyone that counted against us.

http://www.panthers.com/team/history/free-agency-history.html

We actually received 3 compensatory picks that year. The third pick was awarded because there were only 21 compensatory picks awarded by the formula. The extra 11 picks were awared by draft order. The NFL awards 32 picks every year regardless of how many are eligible.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81ef2e1e/article/nfl-distributes-compensatory-draft-picks-to-23-clubs

There is an instance where the "value" of the sum can come into play and that is when a team has an equal number of players gained and lost. At that point a team can be awarded a pick if the value of their losses is greater then their gains based on criteria such as salary, awards, and playing time. Of these variables salary seems to have the biggest impact. Under the situations the awarded pick is often so far down the list it is not one of the top 32 and therefore not awarded. If it is awarded it tends to be one of 7th rounders.

 

From the second link in your quote:

 

Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.

The "or better" implies that it's not a body for body thing, that we're not shut out from comp picks automatically by signing more bodies than we lose.  If Hardy's suspension is minimal, like two games, then we should have a shot at a comp pick.

[rmoneyg35]

If Adrian Peterson got reinstated today for child abuse why can't Hardy be able to play ? At worst give him a 2 game suspension.

[MV%doe]

Bill I know its the deadest part of the offseason and all....... but screw you for bring another hardy topic back, that's based on the unknown future. I mean really?

[JawnyBlaze]

If Adrian Peterson got reinstated today for child abuse why can't Hardy be able to play ? At worst give him a 2 game suspension.

 

AP's PR machine is stronger.

 

[AU-panther]

From the second link in your quote:

 

The "or better" implies that it's not a body for body thing, that we're not shut out from comp picks automatically by signing more bodies than we lose.  If Hardy's suspension is minimal, like two games, then we should have a shot at a comp pick.

 

I referred to the "or better" situation in my earlier post.  It is possible for a team to receive a compensatory pick if the number of players gained and lost is the same but the lost players have a higher value.  From what I understand those picks are at the end of the list and sometimes aren't awarded because they are not part of the top 32.  An example of this happened last year to Oakland.

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/03-24-14-compensatory-picks.pdf

Is it possible in theory for a team to have a net gain in the number of free agents signed but a net loss in "value" and therefore receive a compensatory pick? I don't think so but I could be wrong. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Looking back a few years I can't find a team that was awarded picks under that situation. The few "or better" situations that I did find were all of the equal number of players lost/gained variety.

Like I said earlier I could easily be wrong about this, but I'm not holding out hope that we get a pick for Hardy if our players lost/gained stays the same as it is now.