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Cam vs Jake?

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shreddingdefense Rookie

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Not enough on who is surrounding jake/cam.

Jake had a good oline/rb/defense for most of his career here, but likewise didnt have a go to te like olsen either. I still think smith, moose, and proehl is the best wr core we have ever had. the potential for the current wrs to be equal to that is there. But still the oline isnt that great. Jake with our current online wouldnt be as affective, but i do think he could hit our wrs more consistently. But would defenses try blitzing more? tough to say. Perhaps jake gives defenses enough of a threat so that they don't line 8 guys in the box to stop our running game? More balanced, more successful.

The potential of cam and are wrs are there to be greater than any offense jake was in, only problem is the oline. Defense i would say is on par with what jake had.

I'm going with cam, simply because he hasn't reached his potential. Greg olsen is also a major key here.

 

If it is simply swap the qbs...jake in his prime no doubt, if only it is just for one year. Long term? Keep cam.

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I appreciate Delhomme for what he was able to bring, and who he was during his years here.

That said, with Jake, he was literally his own worst enemy. Yes his fire was one of his best attributes, but once he got in a funk, there was usually no going back that game.

If we are talking which QB to build the franchise right now, you have to go with Newton. His potential is simply too high.

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If Cam becomes everything we believe he can be, he'll be a better quarterback than Delhomme.

At this point though, while he's an infinitely better athlete than Delhomme, he's not yet a better quarterback and definitely not a better leader.

He can be, and I think he will be, but if we're going only on what we've seen of Cam up to today, it's still Jake.

I do believe it will be Cam, but it isn't yet.

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If Cam becomes everything we believe he can be, he'll be a better quarterback than Delhomme.

At this point though, while he's an infinitely better athlete than Delhomme, he's not yet a better quarterback and definitely not a better leader.

He can be, and I think he will be, but if we're going only on what we've seen of Cam up to today, it's still Jake.

I do believe it will be Cam, but it isn't yet.

​It's a little one sided to make leadership comparisons considering that Delhomme already had been in the NFL 6 years when he made it to Carolina.

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Jake is one of my all time favorite Panthers, and if I had to have him or Cam for 1 game, and I could have Cam today, or Jake in his prime, I would have a tough choice to make.

 

That said, if it's a long term thing, I'm going Cam.  He simply has the ability to be better in the long run than Jake, I hope we all witness him as a "top 5" qb at some point in his career.

 

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​It's a little one sided to make leadership comparisons considering that Delhomme already had been in the NFL 6 years when he made it to Carolina.

​But he'd never been a long-term starter to that point.

To be clear, Jake wasn't the kind of QB you "build a team around" (unless you're John Fox) but he was the ideal guy to step in on a team that just needed someone to take the reins.  Cam is a "build the team around him" guy but the time still has to come when he himself comes in and takes it all on himself.

Delhomme did that in Jacksonville when he came into the huddle, shook everything up and led the team in that come from behind victory.  From that point on, those guys would have followed him through the gates of Hell.

Cam needs a moment like that.  I think he's come close a few times, but he hasn't really had that "it's my team now' breakthrough just yet.  Jake had a personality that lent to that sort of thing.  Cam doesn't.

But to be clear, that doesn't mean it can't.

When it does, that's when I think you'll see things start to shift.

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​But he'd never been a long-term starter to that point.

To be clear, Jake wasn't the kind of QB you "build a team around" (unless you're John Fox) but he was the ideal guy to step in on a team that just needed someone to take the reins.  Cam is a "build the team around him" guy but the time still has to come when he himself comes in and takes it all on himself.

Delhomme did that in Jacksonville when he came into the huddle, shook everything up and led the team in that come from behind victory.  From that point on, those guys would have followed him through the gates of Hell.

Cam needs a moment like that.  I think he's come close a few times, but he hasn't really had that "it's my team now' breakthrough just yet.  Jake had a personality that lent to that sort of thing.  Cam doesn't.

But to be clear, that doesn't mean it can't.

When it does, that's when I think you'll see things start to shift.

 

The come from behind drives in 2013 against the Pats on MNF and the Saints to win the NFCS don't qualify?

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​But he'd never been a long-term starter to that point.

To be clear, Jake wasn't the kind of QB you "build a team around" (unless you're John Fox) but he was the ideal guy to step in on a team that just needed someone to take the reins.  Cam is a "build the team around him" guy but the time still has to come when he himself comes in and takes it all on himself.

Delhomme did that in Jacksonville when he came into the huddle, shook everything up and led the team in that come from behind victory.  From that point on, those guys would have followed him through the gates of Hell.

Cam needs a moment like that.  I think he's come close a few times, but he hasn't really had that "it's my team now' breakthrough just yet.  Jake had a personality that lent to that sort of thing.  Cam doesn't.

But to be clear, that doesn't mean it can't.

When it does, that's when I think you'll see things start to shift.

​Yes he was not a starter, but do you not think the experiences he had in those years before the Panthers had an impact on him as a player?

My point merely was, that is 6 years in the NFL, being in a locker room, developing rapport, learning your place, and watching first hand other starting QB's lead teams.

You cannot understate the impact that had for Jake.

Who knows how things would have played out if we threw Jake into the fire in his very first NFL season as a rookie.

But the simple fact is, Delhomme had 5 full seasons worth of that before taking the reigns here. Newton had to learn on the fly from the jump.

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