Josh Norman better than Richard Sherman? David Newton says yes.

[d-dave]

Those are hasty words.  Josh is playing extremely well right now.  Let's let him finish the year first.  If he becomes an island, I will gladly eat crow on that!

I love having him, but I'm not ready to anoint anyone yet!

[cardiaccat52]

Its almost sometimes discrediting when authors pick and choose what percentage of play/stats they want to use as a comparison. Needs to be apples vs. apples (12 games) instead of pushing Norman above Sherman's entire body of work. Kinda like saying Dalton is equal to or has surpassed P. Manning given the performance over the past 5 weeks. 

I think Norman is really....REALLY good...but not on the same level as Revis/Sherman...yet! 

[Snake]

The best QB in the NFL LITERALLY refused to throw at Sherman for an entire game last year. Sherman literally closed off a section of the field from the Packers gameplan.

Josh Norman ain't on that level yet.  

and ain't no point talking about through 4 games....you don't compare players in 4 game windows IMO.  Too many examples of great and bad play occurring in windows that contradicts reality.  Norman is good trying to become great (and looks on his way)

Um yes he is,  Norman has locked down the best WR in the Game(JJ)  twice last year and has done the same with every other WR he has faced. Give Norman a Safety like Chancellor and he would be even better.  Only difference is that teams test hhim and suffer. 

[RelaxImaPro]

CRA needs to stay out of the Norman conversations because he adds literally nothing at all to the discussion.

Well he's not exactly wrong here.  I love Josh, but he does gamble a lot.  That playstyle is a double-edged sword.  It's not talked about much since he had the pick 6 week 1, but he also gave up some big damn plays in that Jags game because of being caught looking in the backfield rather than paying attention to his assignment.  Rivera called them "dirty eyes" and it's why he wasn't as quick to praise Josh in his post game presser as everyone else was.

The good thing for Josh, is he's learned to be a smart gambler... it's more along the lines of playing the odds rather than just a "fug it YOLO" style that gets you burned a lot.  You can tell he's only taking those chances he feels comfortable with due to watching a lot of film on the opponent, or keying off on some sort of tell.

Another good thing is that his coverage actually is great now, even without the ballhawk gambles.  He was a lot more conservative last year, and just straight locked his man down without taking many chances.

[OneBadCat]

Well right now the stats suggest Norman is better than Sherman. He also doesn't have the kind of help Sherman has.

Consistentcy is another thing but right now at this moment Norman is the best in the game. And we can also look to last year to emphasize that. 

So tired of some of you halting your enthusiasm for our guys just because you're afraid of sounding wrong or unwise. Seems like it's a disease this fan base has. 

You're a Panthers fan. Act like it 

[electro's horse]

there has been nothing to suggest the best QB in the NFL is gonna literally work just have a field vs us.

teams have paid the price for throwing at him....but he isn't lockdown which is why he is thrown at so much.  Opponents see too much opportunity with his style of play to date watching film on him

fan base is too eager to appoint him as All Pro.  He is slowly getting good.  Always had playmaking talent.   Pointing that out is something people spin as insult.  Better QBs will hit on some of the errors and overplaying he does 

Firstly, half is different than have. 

Secondly, going by your oversimplified, play-doh-level-of-comprehension dichotomy, no cornerback was lockdown until he was. You don't just wake up one day and people don't throw at you. Sherman and revis were both getting picks even at their height. Does that mean they weren't lockdown because they were being thrown to? Or that they were lockdown, but teams weren't throwing to them, but they were effectively playing the other side of the field?

Or does lockdown cornerback to you mean the players literally becomes characters from the early 90s Nickelodean british show The Tomorrow People where they can teleport instantaneously, so that they can simultaneously not be thrown at while still making interceptions?

in lieu of trying to answer this, furling your brow in frustration at all my polysyllabic words, do us all a favor and mash the clicker button where the letters make the words LOGOUT 

[electro's horse]

 

that isn't a shutdown CB.  That is a playmaking CB.   Both are good to have....but a playmaking one is gonna be frustrating (which he generally is). 

Big take.

Next Caller.

[SixMileDrive]

It's not talked about much since he had the pick 6 week 1, but he also gave up some big damn plays in that Jags game because of being caught looking in the backfield rather than paying attention to his assignment.  

From PFF article on Jags game: "Norman was thrown at nine times and allowed just three completions for 15 yards". Not sure what game you were watching but it clearly wasn't CAR-JAX. Too many people in this forum just make poo up.

[SixMileDrive]

 Rivera called them "dirty eyes" and it's why he wasn't as quick to praise Josh in his post game presser as everyone else was.

Link to entire Rivera post-game transcript: http://blackandbluereview.com/panthers-jaguars-week-1-ron-rivera-transcript/

Here is every mention of Norman:

How do you think the defense played after Luke went out?

"I thought Josh Norman did a great job. With the interception, he read that very cleanly and got in position to make a play."

Josh Norman's seemed to provide a spark?

"It's something we work on, we do work on punching the ball out and Josh Norman made a terrific play as far as that was concerned and we recovered it and set the offense up with an opportunity to score and on the interception, he read that nicely and made a good break."

Reaction after Norman's pick-6?

"All of a sudden somebody steps up and makes a play and next thing you know the energy level picked up. Defense and offense energy picked up. We saw some positive things after that. I was pleased with what we did after. I think the bottom line is that we have to stop waiting for everybody else to make a play and just go make a play."

Seriously man, everything you said in that post was either made up or flat or wrong. Stop making stuff up, there's no reason for it and it doesn't contribute to the discussion.

[Khaki Lackey]

So is David Newton trying to win back Panthers fans who stopped clicking on his drivel.......OR...is he trolling all the local bandwagon Seahawks fans for clicks?

The truth is out there.

[CRA]

CRA needs to stay out of the Norman conversations because he adds literally nothing at all to the discussion.

eh, we have seen this all before....l don't mesh well in the "hey, let's all only look at the positives about player X and bash any football thoughts outside of it" threads.

even Ron Rivera has addressed what teams look at when throwing at Norman, mentioned how he makes his stomach uneasy, etc.  That is b/c he is a playmaking CB and not a shutdown one at this stage.  But people are in the Norman is the best CB in the NFL mode and anything discussed about his game that isn't positive the "mob mentality" comes in claiming people are hating on him.

 

 

[CRA]

well at least he his argument has changed from "he will commit a penalty at some point so he isnt good enough" or however he tiresly phrased it and went ghost for a couple weeks when proved so wrong.

I don't judge anyone off small windows.....and Norman gives me the same uneasy stomach he gives Ron Rivera.   Now the big boy game start.  The after the next few weeks....THEN people will know what Norman is.

and yeah, the law of averages is something I apply to aggressive playmakers and hot heads.  That will never change.  There is bad that comes with it.  Brady vs Favre.  Both are good.  Favre is gonna bring some headaches Brady isn't b/c one is a surgeon and one is playmaker.   Claiming Favre is due for a 4 INT meltdown game isn't bashing him but merely addressing the type QB he was on the field.  Same w/ the hotheads.

[Chaos]

So is David Newton trying to win back Panthers fans who stopped clicking on his drivel.......OR...is he trolling all the local bandwagon Seahawks fans for clicks?

The truth is out there.

Yes

[Kuhndog94]

The best QB in the NFL LITERALLY refused to throw at Sherman for an entire game last year. Sherman literally closed off a section of the field from the Packers gameplan.

Josh Norman ain't on that level yet.  

and ain't no point talking about through 4 games....you don't compare players in 4 game windows IMO.  Too many examples of great and bad play occurring in windows that contradicts reality.  Norman is good trying to become great (and looks on his way)

Might I refer you to...

 

Perhaps more revealing is that if you take away the Dwayne Bowe and Kenny Britt types, elite receivers have actually done pretty well versus Sherman and the Legion. Kelvin Benjamin had a 94-yard game in their first meeting and then followed up with a 75-yard, two-touchdown performance during the playoffs. Odell Beckham Jr. was able to collect more than a 100 yards. Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb amassed 71 and 116 yards in their respective games as No. 1 receivers versus Seattle. And Julian Edelman had a nine-catch, 109-yard, one-touchdown game in the Super Bowl

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Josh Norman will stop anybody, he doesn't care who you are. Several QBs who go after Sherman are quite successful actually. Sherman also has better support in the secondary as mentioned by other posters before me.