No team will hire Shula after that playcalling and Panthers won't release him after he ran the #1 scoring offense

[Toker Smurf]

7 hours ago, PhillyB said:

still not sure how shula is getting the burn for all this. running those plays up the gut is precisely how you negate crashing ends.

"we kept running long developing routes" is a myth and a reflexive holdover from the first half of 2014. we ran a ton of short stuff and just didn't connect on it, or ended up with turnovers at absolutely horrible times.

take away cam's pick (teddy's fault) and tolbert's second fumble and i think we win this game.

Yes, in theory that's how you stop crashing defensive ends. The problem is it didn't. The runs up the gut put us in 2nd and long and Denver's ends NEVER stopped crashing, so it just plain didn't work.

[ickmule]

The players on offense got their asses kicked. It's that simple. If we had recievers that could catch the ball on Sunday we would be at a parade today in Charlotte instead on posting in this forum. 

[Zaximus]

Shula absolutely was trash.  No excuses guys.  Two weeks to prepare and we looked out of it.  I know Denver is a beast, I know you can't stop them all the time, but we looked unprepared.  As others said, he continued to put this offense in 2nd and long against the #1 defense.   I seen hardly any slants.  We should have been running more of those to keep their defense honest.  This looked like a John Fox team out there.   

I really think Shula took Cam's ability to change things away from him for this game.  Something was really off.  I actually think we should have ran Cam more than we did, for once, being the Super Bowl and all. 

There's really no excuse for ZERO adjustments.  Shula can be good, but when he's bad, it's TERRIBLE.  If his pre-game plan doesn't work out, good luck.  

[Fox007]

Shula would put Shaq at the 3 point line and have Horry or Kobe drive in the lane and kick it out to him...Shaq misses the game winner and people here would be blaming Shaq for not executing the 3......whereas I'd be like...why the fug was shaq taking the damn 3.....Shula in a nutshell.

Bootlegs? na
Playaction on 1st and 10 not 3rd and 10? na
We kept running up the gut instead of right at one of those DEs....Von Miller is small and fast and we never once tried to just run his ass over with 2 blockers and the RB....yay Shula up dat gut....yet people on here will say that's how you handle a pass rusher specialist...and fail to realize we didn't do it.....even still the argument always incorrectly goes to the "it's not ALL Shula's fault" when no one is saying it's ALL on him...his game plan was trash and the Broncos let us know during and after the game it's trash...I'd listen to the #1 defense yall keep touting...if they say that poo won't work and show you and then tell you again....yea...gtfo.

 

 

 

[JARROD]

I'm not fond of Shulas offense either but it's worked all year and it's not what lost the game.

 

 The Broncos learned from the last Super Bowl they got killed in that the absolute violence of the defense is what killed them. They came back with a vengeance and brought all the violence that anyone is ever brought to the game into the Panthers. 

the other good defensive units we've faced were Cream Puffs in regards to the "want to" brought by the Broncos.

Then the Panthers just never seemed to have that same violence and want to they had in other games we've seen.

Again the violent Broncos. That's where all the million false starts came from, the dropped passes, and the fumbles.

The pounding created the footsteps, the continuous fear by the linemen to get some kind of jump on the terror that was coming every down, dropped passes because of the bruised ribs on prior plays.

they did to the Panthers what the Panthers did to others all season.

Even Gano bitched out. talib or Harris was off sides on the end, wasn't called but it scared the life out of Gano and he hit the upright.

Stewart wasn't scared, stuffed or not he kept coming, jumping over the pile on a busted ankle is no joke, and the few 6-8 yard runs that would have gone for 30 against other teams he kept bringing it.

Cam wasn't scared, the replay I watched showed he didn't dive but thought the ball was going to pop out backwards and tried to move back,..watch him try to turn around and get his hands down to get it. Olsen wasn't scared. Funchess wasn't scared.

Oher wasn't scared-- his face was one of someone who felt he failed and couldn't do enough to compensate for the bitches by his side--- Kalil didn't bitch out. Pretty much everyone else on the line did.

It was the violence and the failure of the captains and the coaches to get the team to respond with even more violence than the Broncos.  All except Ealy, Kuechly, Davis, Norman,..and at times Jared Allen who played his heart out.

theres a corps of players, even Ginn and Funchess who played super hard, and there's the players that bitched out.

Tolbert, forget about the fumble-- go back and watch how many blocks he whiffed-- I watched again-- counted 4 and there were more that I'll say he had 2 to choose from. And just took the wrong guy.

So the violence caused all the drive killing penalties, stupid things to happen.

and I couldn't tell you except maybe a Super Bowl choke about what happened with the punt return. That was so idiotic, worst than Hank Basket failing to fall on the onside kick from the Saints that gave The saints their very undeserved Super Bowl. I don't even acknowledge they won a Super Bowl,....

So Shula had little to do with it. Only someone that could have gotten the team to elevate beyond the Broncos will would have been better. No scheme would have changed the outcome otherwise

[rico6]

9 hours ago, megadeth078 said:

I don't want this thread to come off as reactionary hate-mongering, so I went back and looked at the play-by-play.  We ran 13 (yes, 13...) first down running plays that netted us 3 or fewer yards.  Thirteen second-and-long situations in a game that was at most a 2-possession game throughout. If this is all because of execution, at what point should an offensive coordinator realize that the players aren't executing the plays that are "supposed" to work and instead make adjustments?  Are lack of adjustments not the fault of the OC?

Nah man, Shula called a GREAT game. Sheesh.

[Fox007]

Tolbert does whiff on almost every block....dood needs to be called out for sure....it's be said before by a few people but it never cost us and that's why it's easy to overlook....

[Growl]

Watching the usual cast of characters defend this guy has become progressively more comical

[Bj-Monster23]

9 hours ago, panthers55 said:

You could say he didn't prepare Cam enough and you could be right. But the players have to execute. Coaches sit in the booth or on the sidelines and Shula gave the total reigns to Cam.  Cam was confused all night and  should have called more max protects instead of putting 4 and five receivers out in a pattern.

We did go with more max protection packages in the game it just only takes Von Miller 2 seconds to get to the QB. 

[ncmonzta]

9 hours ago, PhillyB said:

still not sure how shula is getting the burn for all this. running those plays up the gut is precisely how you negate crashing ends.

"we kept running long developing routes" is a myth and a reflexive holdover from the first half of 2014. we ran a ton of short stuff and just didn't connect on it, or ended up with turnovers at absolutely horrible times.

take away cam's pick (teddy's fault) and tolbert's second fumble and i think we win this game.

I agree with you about the players not executing, but there's truth to those long developing plays and runs up the gut while the clock is against you in the gotdamn super bowl. It would have been smarter to use a rb to help block since they weren't really doing much after stews td anyway. Players were bad and coaches were worse. 

Disclaimer : This is just an opinion. This is not intended to start an argument with PhillyB. I do not feel like pasting in Google translate right now

[PhillyB]

4 minutes ago, ncmonzta said:

I agree with you about the players not executing, but there's truth to those long developing plays and runs up the gut while the clock is against you in the gotdamn super bowl. It would have been smarter to use a rb to help block since they weren't really doing much after stews td anyway. Players were bad and coaches were worse. 

Disclaimer : This is just an opinion. This is not intended to start an argument with PhillyB. I do not feel like pasting in Google translate right now

i think shula deserves some criticism... i just think he's catching a very disproportionate share of it.

[Growl]

2 hours ago, UKPanther94 said:

I suspect the Shula hate has been bubbling under the surface all year when things were going well but just erupted because of the superbowl. Shula called a bad game, but we had the #1 scoring offense for a good reason, and at this point in his career, right at the start of his prime is it really wise having Cam learn a new offense just when we've finally got it working with Shula?

you're right friend, there is a very good reason why we were no.1 in offense.

 

leading the league in defensive scores tends to help, oh, and we lead the league in turnovers, and I'd imgine, starting field position for an offense because of it,

 

Couple that with the MVP on your offense and well, you'd frankly have to try real hrd not to get the no. 1 ranking, which btw, given how close Arizona was, he mut've worked real hard to accomplish.

 

 

let's see just how firm our grip on that number one spot is next season when teams aren't foolishly testing Josh Norman in the early going or kurt coleman, well, all year.

[Growl]

As I said the other day, there is no funnier-nor sadder-element to this than the following:

 

Mike Shula actively went into this game trying to play the kind of game Denver wanted. A quick, low scoring games with few offensive plays. I don't even think we went to tempo  at any point, despite it's success this year against tough defenses and us being down two scores. You wanna slow down a nasty edge rush? How about speeding up the entire offense rather than running straight into a talented 9 man front over and over and over again like some junkie beating his head against a wall trying to get the talking octopi out of his head.

the man is stubborn and it cost us the Super Bowl.

 

 

 

[Growl]

there is no way Mike's gameplan was any different from his daddy's back in Super Bowl VI

 

"run ball into middle of defense"

"do it again"

"throw ball down field, hope for best"

 

can you imagine what this game might've looked like if Philly and Devin hadn't made miracles catches in predictable passing situations when we needed them most

 

you can scream execution until you are silver black and blue in the face, and you arent wrong, but for every player miscue birthed out of our bland offense, there was a miracle performance to keep the game alive

 

 

players should not be expected to make miracle catches on 3rd and long every single drive (not that im defending mike remmers or jerricho cotchery, just for the record,  because I'm going to spit so much venom on them when the opportunity comes so I don't want to hear "growl i thought you said it was all mike shula's fault, just so we're clear)