I Don't Get The Celebration Here...

[AceMan]

8 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Again, this thread wasn't created to make it a Gettleman vs Josh issue.  Nor was it to bash Gettleman, which I didn't think I did, and if you think that's the case, check out my posts when Smitty was released, lol.

I was simply saying to think of it from the player perspective and from a fan's perspective that we just lost one of the top CBs in the game for nothing.

I also just saw the report that he demanded a trade and then Getts pulled the offer.  If that is the case, I still think it was posturing and his dumbass agent thinking it was a last resort way of squeezing money out of us.  I don't think we had to rescind the offer, but if that is what happened, then I think GMan was justified in his reaction, albeit not ideal, and Josh needs to fire his stupid ass agent.

You're not going to get many fans to openly agree with your point of view, but GMan definitely has a short fuse for BS. (Or at least BS antics in his eyes)

 

This could really hurt us this year, but become better overall for us in the future like the Steve Smith situation. Still, we lost an elite CB in our system which sucks.

[Zaximus]

It would make even more sense if we actually used the money saved for something.  Let's see what happens.  FA is already over and we didn't do much there (that's fine).   At the minimum, let's use the money for something relevant instead of more Bojangles tee lol. 

Also LOL @ people acting like it's THEIR money that was saved. 

[Nick_81]

4 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

It would make even more sense if we actually used the money saved for something.  Let's see what happens.  FA is already over and we didn't do much there (that's fine).   At the minimum, let's use the money for something relevant instead of more Bojangles tee lol.

Long term deal for KK?  That's a damn good use of the money IMO.  

[motocross_cat]

2 minutes ago, Nick_81 said:

Long term deal for KK?  That's a damn good use of the money IMO.  

Kk > norman all day, twice on sunday.

[CRA]

9 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

So now you want to qualify where the sacks come from? Do we know need a separate sack list for DE? DT? LB? Or DB? Sacks are a team stat. It don't matter one whit where they come from. Pressure and sacks help your D. We were pretty damm good at doing both.

 

You pressure a QB and they can make mistakes. Coverage sacks count for sure. But they are no where near as prevalent as from the front 7. But nice try.

 

 

All sacks don't come from dominant line play off the ball.   They often are generated from a team playing good overall football on D.  Which essentially is what a "coverage sack" is. 

We played good overall D last season.  We didn't have a dominant DL.  

[bLACKpANTHER]

Josh doesn't understand that if he stays in Carolina - he will be set for LIFE!!!! The Carolinas will love him until the day he dies. He won't have to buy a beer at any bar - he could do speaking engagements - open businesses - whatever. But now he will go to some other city and be a king for a few seasons and not be looked at the same way from his hometown team and fans.

It is in essence a short-term money grab, instead of looking at the bigger picture.

[CRA]

27 minutes ago, MadHatter said:

Norman asked for a trade before the tag last season and he refused to sign the tag and was not going to attend OTA's.  He was the one who put this in motion.

DG had no other real choice...unless he was willing to pay him $16m a season

Players delay signing a tag.  That happens all the time.  Name one player who didn't sign the tag....they all eventually do. 

The argument IMO that Norman was never going to sign it as a reason to let him go IMO is just an attempt to rationalize Dave doing the right thing.  Norman would have signed.  But he would have done it only after exhausting every attempt he could to get his deal before the season. Dave didn't want to deal with that headache 

so yeah, he could of kept Norman and had him play tagged.  That was an option.   Dave didn't want to put up the game played until he signed the tag....which again they all eventually will sign 

[Rags]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

Do you want me to start quoting your original remarks?

 

Its obvious your one of the people that was happy Josh was leaving, you took direct offense when I said there were morons celebrating over the possibility of getting 3rd round pick for an all pro corner. Now your trying to change your tune

 

And lets be honest there are people in this forum that think DG can do no wrong and pretty much repeat the same garbage for every move he does or doesn't do. (The future, he knows more than you, I don't question his moves ext...) it's broken recorder. So my statement about trading Cam isn't that far fetched at all, people in here have catapulted him to the face of the franchise.

 

And you keep saying Norman was gonna hold out and not play, how do you know? How? Almost every player that holds out in the off season ends up signing by training camp. Please tell me the last time a player held out the entire season?

 

It's pretty obvious what happen, Gettleman is a stubborn short fused SOB and made a brash move after getting into a heated argument with Norman and his agent.

 

When was the last time a team cut a player that was tagged? Just like that, this is unheard of.

You keep bringing up the locker room as if every team that wins a SB has a perfect locker room atmosphere, this isn't the movies. Plus I'm pretty sure players are more upset at this than if Norman held out.

Yes. Quote me. Quote every time I've shown joy about Josh leaving. Please

 I fuging beg you. 

I haven't changed my tune. At all. Those people are moving on. Good for them. Its cool they're looking at a possible comp pick. Hell I am too. That doesn't mean them, or myself, don't miss Josh. Its how the league works. You can be upset and angry while still focusing on the positives of what this move will bring. Wow!

Your other arguments are dumb or sortsighted: More people will be angry than accepting if Cam is traded suddenly. Team has had players cut before that they liked (Avant is a recent example, extremely well loved in the locker room.) And have coped well and would be better than a constant ongoing dramafest about will he or won't he play. As I've stated before a player who holds out often gets hurt or plays sub par when they don't participate in full TC and other Mini camps (Revis, Chancellor come to mind.), and the fact he was holding out is damn obvious by the fact that he Didn't Sign His Tender At fuging All And Asked For A Trade. 

[panthers55]

37 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I respect you, P55...  i was simply saying that you were pulling stuff feom my words that wasn't there, most likely due to my past grievances with our personnel dept (namely Smitty).  I believe in Gettleman.  But, i also love Josh as a player.  So, this whole issue sucks.

I may use "charged" words, but I'm not trying to sway people with anti-Gettleman propaganda, lol.  I don't think I'm being given a fair shot to discuss things because many think they know where I'm coming from before they even read through the thread.  

And yes, I am inferring a lot in regards to negotiations, as we all are, because unless we have inside access to them, we don't have any idea exactly what happened.  And that is why we are all here giving our opinion on what happened, although we don't know.

Oh well, what's done is done and we'll see what happens...  i was just trying to shine light on the other end of the spectrum.

I love Josh too and was going to buy his jersey if he signed long term. From your more recent  posts on this topic you seem to be taking a more reasoned stance so as you say let's see what happens. We can all agree that he will be missed. How much remains to be seen.

[MadHatter]

34 minutes ago, CRA said:

Players delay signing a tag.  That happens all the time.  Name one player who didn't sign the tag....they all eventually do. 

The argument IMO that Norman was never going to sign it as a reason to let him go IMO is just an attempt to rationalize Dave doing the right thing.  Norman would have signed.  But he would have done it only after exhausting every attempt he could to get his deal before the season. Dave didn't want to deal with that headache 

so yeah, he could of kept Norman and had him play tagged.  That was an option.   Dave didn't want to put up the game played until he signed the tag....which again they all eventually will sign 

I agree.  But none of us know what the conversations and tone of the negotiations have been.  Norman may have been very clear that he was either not signing the tag or his behavior made it very clear that he was going to be a huge problem even if he did.  If he seemed willing to sign and willing to he a good team m moved, I just could not see DG making this move.

[The Link]

11 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Oh and to thise with the canned "oh no, he can't feed his family off 12 mil," with all due respect, if it was you making money on that scale would you settle for 12M if you think it's possible you could make more?

Yes, because that's more than enough money to suit myself and my family for life, and because it would allow me to compete for a ring.

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, MadHatter said:

I agree.  But none of us know what the conversations and tone of the negotiations have been.  Norman may have been very clear that he was either not signing the tag or his behavior made it very clear that he was going to be a huge problem even if he did.  If he seemed willing to sign and willing to he a good team m moved, I just could not see DG making this move.

I mean I think it is obvious Norman was going to make it as annoying as possible. I think Dave is implementing a strict policy....of the Dave way.  

I got no issue with that.  But with anything, I think you have to be willing to make exceptions to "your way".  I think based on where this team is that you put with Norman's garbage for one year 

[csx]

They have been trying to sign him for a year. It became apparent it wasn't going to happen. I'm happy to have a GM with a brain and some stones. I wish we could have kept him but I am not going to whine about it forever like I know is going to happen here for the next 5 months.

[MadHatter]

34 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean I think it is obvious Norman was going to make it as annoying as possible. I think Dave is implementing a strict policy....of the Dave way.  

I got no issue with that.  But with anything, I think you have to be willing to make exceptions to "your way".  I think based on where this team is that you put with Norman's garbage for one year 

Depends on how smelly and deep that pile of garbage is though.

But, I do get your point.