4-3/3-4 hybrid

[ncfan]

This isn't a sign where we are with KK's contract is it?

I don't see us drafting Butler in the first to be a sub for 5 years.

We've seen KK slide out at end, also Butler's comparison is Muhammed Wilkerson who is a 3-4 DE for the jets. 

May be a dumb question considering our D has been been pretty good the last 3 seasons so why adjust it.  But could we see us sliding to a hybrid style D with Ealy, Star, Butler, and KK being the DL.  Understand the bpa, but unsure we'd use it on a guy playing the same position we are signing long term unless we are adjusting down the the getting both in.  

[Jangler]

Gettleman plays the long game. At this pace will most likely have a rotating line-up throughout the team, except for the core. And the core changes too, as players come and go. It's just something to get used to.

[ncfan]

True but it did seem that Gettleman really wanted to try to resign both KK and Star. Butler has been said to able to play all the positions on the line. Gettleman has said big guys make you compete.  We have also signed Soliali who is a backup NT and Love who is a backup UT.  With the big guys help you compete and his versatility I just see us going with a 4-3DE, NT, UT, 3-4 DE (Ealy, Star, KK, Butler) lineup.  Its a matchup nightmare considering we are getting hybrid style LB's like Shaq who can drop back, blitz, cover RBs in space etc.  

Especially if we do hold onto KK and Star. You just don't draft a guy in the first who's going to be a backup more than a year.

[London Loves Luke]

I don't get how the title relates to the post but the first thing I thought was how good a 3-4 front line butler -star - short would make, especially with some of the faster, slimmer DEs we have on the roster in delaire, cox, miles and Addison.

would not be surprised if we threw some looks like:

           Butler/ealy-star-short/cj

CJ/delaire/cox                        TD/Shaq/Addison 

 

i know now it's not something we can sustain if teams put multiple TEs/slot looks, but it's exactly the sort of curveball you could throw in to keep teams on their toes.

[CPantherKing]

If Vernon Butler plays anything like he did against Mississippi State, then the Panthers can cut him now. He was absolutely abused in that game. They ran right at him. He is very easy to double team and does not take chip blocks well. He turns his shoulders often giving the blockers an easy target to get him off balance. Usually finds himself pushed off the LoS in the running game, and gives up on plays when they are run away from him.

His one strength is he is an excellent bull rusher to collapse the pocket when he is one on one. In the run game, he is a non-factor.

Major project.

[Bartin]

I wondered last night if we might try this. It's how the Seattle style defenses run even though they are a 4-3 under they are very similar to a 3-4 personnel wise. Standard NT and UT(3 tech) with one DE who is on the bigger run stuffing side(this could be Butler) and plays similar to a 5 tech in a 3-4 then a pure pass rushing DE opposite him which is like the designated pass rushing OLB in a 3-4. Seattle themselves don't run that style much anymore now that they have two great DEs in Bennett and Avril but when they lacked the DE personnel and had stronger interior personnel this is what they ran.

[csx]

4 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

If Vernon Butler plays anything like he did against Mississippi State, then the Panthers can cut him now. He was absolutely abused in that game. They ran right at him. He is very easy to double team and does not take chip blocks well. He turns his shoulders often giving the blockers an easy target to get him off balance. Usually finds himself pushed off the LoS in the running game, and gives up on plays when they are run away from him.

His one strength is he is an excellent bull rusher to collapse the pocket when he is one on one. In the run game, he is a non-factor.

Major project.

Mississippi State had 93 total rushing yards that game. Their season average was 144 ypg. 

[shulasmyhero]

Don't be shocked to see an occasional hybrid 5-2 (Ealy, Butler, Star, KK, CJ - with Soliai mixed in for Star or CJ).  

Would be a situational matchup nightmare for opposing offensive lines.

[Toker Smurf]

Also is it just me or does Delaire seem like he would fit well at 3-4 OLB when we run that scheme?

[Rags]

5 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

If Vernon Butler plays anything like he did against Mississippi State, then the Panthers can cut him now. He was absolutely abused in that game. They ran right at him. He is very easy to double team and does not take chip blocks well. He turns his shoulders often giving the blockers an easy target to get him off balance. Usually finds himself pushed off the LoS in the running game, and gives up on plays when they are run away from him.

His one strength is he is an excellent bull rusher to collapse the pocket when he is one on one. In the run game, he is a non-factor.

Major project.

I too like to base my entire opinion of one player based on one good or bad game.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, csx said:

Mississippi State had 93 total rushing yards that game. Their season average was 144 ypg. 

And hey, go ahead and double team Butler.

By the way, Kawann Short says hi.

[joemac]

The key term here is ROTATION! These big ass dudes get tired. It benefits everyone to have as many talented guys as possible to keep rotating in there to beat up on opposing offensive lines. You rarely see olines rotate in and out, but with our potential to keep throwing giant, talented human beings at opposing fronts, we could create havoc all game long across the line. That is how you dominate at the line of scrimmage. Dave Gettleman is a very shrewd and smart talent evaluator. Trust the man, he will not lead you astray.

[ncfan]

36 minutes ago, joemac said:

The key term here is ROTATION! These big ass dudes get tired. It benefits everyone to have as many talented guys as possible to keep rotating in there to beat up on opposing offensive lines. You rarely see olines rotate in and out, but with our potential to keep throwing giant, talented human beings at opposing fronts, we could create havoc all game long across the line. That is how you dominate at the line of scrimmage. Dave Gettleman is a very shrewd and smart talent evaluator. Trust the man, he will not lead you astray.

Yeah I get that but we just signed 2 Solid guys this off season for that purpose in Soliali and Love. We also keep talking about resigning both DT's long term.  You don't draft guy in the 1st to be a rotation player for 5 years 

[CPantherKing]

2 hours ago, Rags said:

I too like to base my entire opinion of one player based on one good or bad game.

Kind of like how Rivera and Gettleman based their choice on the Senior Bowl film they just watched this past week. Listen to the presser. They tell you his college tape is unimpressive and this decision was based on the Senior Bowl.