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Legit hypothetical and maybe stupid question, If Cam was Ginn's QB for his whole career. How many Pro Bowls would he have made?

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Ginn's 31 years old right now, and playing better then ever.  Now imagine a prime Ted Ginn, with a prime Cam Newton.  

Are we talking 1-3 Pro Bowls?  Or more?  I was having this discussion with a friend of mine on Saturday and figured I would let the Huddle's experts answer this.

Hypothetically of course.  

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I think you have to expand that to "If Ted were in this team/staff/coaching situation his entire career". Cam certainly has something to do with it but how much has Ricky Proehl, Shula's scheme, etc. had to do with it as well?

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Not many, unless as a returner. The value of Ginn is that we don't key on him. He had 44 catches last year. His job is to catch the defense by surprise on the deep route and he does it very well. He's slotted appropriately for his lack of pure catching ability. The thing about his success in Carolina is that when he's here, he's slotted correctly. No other team has figured out how to do that.

Even with as good as he was last season, his catch rate was below 46%. Compare that to Olsen who has been better than 62% for the last 4 years with a high of 68.3% last year.

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some guys season with age. ginn is one of those guys. he's a measurably better receiver here - that's a system that works with his talents and a quarterback that can get him the ball, but i also am not sure the tenn ginn of six or seven years ago would be as good as the one we've got now.

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5 hours ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Ginn's 31 years old right now, and playing better then ever.  Now imagine a prime Ted Ginn, with a prime Cam Newton.  

Are we talking 1-3 Pro Bowls?  Or more?  I was having this discussion with a friend of mine on Saturday and figured I would let the Huddle's experts answer this.

Hypothetically of course.  

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Well Ginn hasn't played well enough yet with Cam to it made one...

so I will say zero.  Ginn's hands would have always prevented it IMO. 

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17 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

some guys season with age. ginn is one of those guys. he's a measurably better receiver here - that's a system that works with his talents and a quarterback that can get him the ball, but i also am not sure the tenn ginn of six or seven years ago would be as good as the one we've got now.

Ginn understands his weaknesses now. I think he actually has a lot of potential, still, as a short-range receiver. Not only that curl route last week (Which looked like classic Steve Smith, sans stiff arm), but he was extremely reliable on short-range slant routes last year. He'll have more opportunities to get open without the threat of constant double-teams this year. I'm really excited for him.

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13 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Ginn understands his weaknesses now. I think he actually has a lot of potential, still, as a short-range receiver. Not only that curl route last week (Which looked like classic Steve Smith, sans stiff arm), but he was extremely reliable on short-range slant routes last year. He'll have more opportunities to get open without the threat of constant double-teams this year. I'm really excited for him.

Constant double teams?

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

Constant double teams?

Did you watch any games last year? Ted Ginn was indeed double teamed often. Because he is so fast, teams couldn't just put a corner on him - they had to commit another man deep, because Ted Ginn will outrun single coverage. This is what made him so valuable last year - he's not a number-one receiver, but his skill set demands he be covered like one.

This year, defenses won't have that ability. Benjamin will, if he's anything like his rookie year, demand double coverage... and unlike in 2014, they now have to worry about another massive body (Funchess) and the fastest guy in the league. He'll smoke any nickel corner in the league.

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