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We have traded for Andy Lee from the Browns

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5 minutes ago, RockyTopVol said:

As bad as the Browns are, they sure do get a lot in their trade deals. They just got a 5th for Barkevious Mingo. How did they make either one of these deals? Is it the Moneyball guy doing the negotiating? 

Meh. The Browns always get a poo ton of picks. And they blow it on every damn one of them. 

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7 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Special Teams has been the Panthers Achilles Heel for several years now

Nortman was not getting the job done

Answer was not on the roster

No guarantee we'd win in a battle to snag one of the cuts

Panthers are poised to make another SB run, wasn't worth being penny wise and pound foolish.

Our fourth may likely amount to only one or two picks prior to the fifth round, add in the fact that it isn't till 2018, and it amounts to the equivalent of a sixth round pick.  

Who really wants to take a chance of yet another special teams error costing us a SB win like in 2003?

Apparently not Ron or G-Man.

If they're cool with it, I'm on board.

i'm not reading through this entire thread, as I was out of commission yesterday, and I figured I would flip back 1 page and read from there....this was my first thought as well, entirely.

We are becoming a consistent playoff team now, one that has the ability to win the big one now.  We are going to need to be able to grind out games at some point.  The wins won't come as easy as last year, at least not against the best the NFC can toss at us in the playoffs, a decent punter may be all it takes to send us home in Jan.

I don't love it, but I fully understand it.

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16 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

 

The punter is the least important position. This should not be a controversial statement.

I've just about got to disagree here. It looks like across the league, the FB has become the least important position on the field. 

And if you have a team with a dominant defense and an offense that sputters out regularly, that punter might be your best shot at winning the field position battle. And field position is the game.

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There are way too many factors playing into this decision to be worrying about it right now.  4th seems steep but because it is a punter, the age is not really a concern.  We could also only be talking about moving back a couple of picks if the season plays out for both teams the way most people are thinking (give up a low 4th, get a high 7th and use it to move up in the 5th).  Throw in that after the first 3 rounds we're talking about special teams players essentially, and then, looking at some of our free agents next year (Johnson, Ginn, Remmers, Addison, Klein), we'll likely be pulling in an extra pick or two in '18 anyway.

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16 hours ago, Cam El said:


Not that I disagree but that would sort of go against Gentleman's theory of not believing in windows.

You think any coach ever would actually admit to believing in windows? Or GM? or anyone?

"Yea guys our window is about up gotta win this year"

Said no one ever.

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22 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

You think any coach ever would actually admit to believing in windows? Or GM? or anyone?

"Yea guys our window is about up gotta win this year"

Said no one ever.

That's not the way I take it. If you put all your eggs in one basket, thinking 'THIS' is your chance to win it all and don't, you set yourself up to fail going forward. Too much is up to chance (injuries, opponents injuries, players playing for conctracts, whatever). Obviously, you are trying to win it all, every year but not at the expense of sustained, success.

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18 minutes ago, Cam El said:

That's not the way I take it. If you put all your eggs in one basket, thinking 'THIS' is your chance to win it all and don't, you set yourself up to fail going forward. Too much is up to chance (injuries, opponents injuries, players playing for conctracts, whatever). Obviously, you are trying to win it all, every year but not at the expense of sustained, success.

Yea DG is going to plan for the long haul and make sure he can stay as competitive as possible at all times. I just don't think anyone will admit even if they know it isn't their year. Sometimes you know what you got but will try as hard as you can anyway(obviously). Sometimes players know they are done but their pride won't let them quit and they have to be forced out. No one wants to admit it when it's over.

Not only that but our "window" is certainly more open(or higher probability) with Cam/Luke in their prime than when they are at the end or after they leave...hard to argue against that and everyone knows it.

It's like you said about injuries...players know when their main man goes down their chances are smaller. There would be no such thing as morale in sports if this wasn't the case. Can argue it's more pronounced in basketball for example but it still exists in football. Can't tell me the team thinks the same when Cam is in the game as they do when he wen't down with an injury for example. They will say the right things but they know the chances are smaller for victory.

That was a very rambly way of saying you're right but at the same time people know what's up whether you call it a "window" or not. The whole window thing is definitely more from a fan perspective as we look back on the span of success or potential success based on the players we've had at certain times.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Cam El said:

If we did this because we think we can win the SB this year, that doesn't fit Gettleman's philosophy, of not believing in windows. 

 

IMO, Gettleman did this because it has the potential to shore up the punting position for the next 3-4 years.  He seems to look long term, although in this case, its more medium term than long term.  It seems like a good move, but only time will tell.   

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