If I am San Fran or any team

[Camp Fodder]

2 hours ago, 15 said:

SF low key has a solid, young pass rush. their secondary leave much to be desired but don't underestimate them. they run the same scheme defensively that the bronco's do, and like I said - the blue print is out there and Chip will do everything he can to follow it.

we have the talent to crush them, but we gotta play our A game and never let up. 

Doesn't every team have a blueprint on them?

[t96]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

I realize that Cam Newton is the key cog in Carolina beating us.  Defensively it may take awhile to adjust to really being good because frankly McD is going to have to scheme around our DE and DB situation (and that won't happen overnight)

so if I am San Fran...I tell my D to see where the refs draw the line on Cam.   I expect them to really go after Cam Sunday.  Then back off of only when the refs make them.  Keep pushing the envelope until it isn't worth it. 

I still don't think refs view Cam as a guy that will get "tradtional" position protection after all this. 

Well then you're a PoS to sink to their level. You think Ron would ever instruct his players to target a player's head, regardless of what the refs are doing? Chip Kelly strikes me as arrogant but not a total PoS like what you're suggesting.

[rayzor]

refs aren't held accountable for their (in)actions by their boss. that's the lesson learned for the refs. and that cam isn't worth the extra protection afforded other QBs or even ball carriers. his head is an acceptable target.

i'm sure players learned this as well. refs make cam open game for any tactic. more than likely you won't get a flag and the most they will do is take a couple bucks from you.

i mean plyers undoubtedly learned they can rough him up because nobody got a flag for it last year, but now the lesson is you can target hisw head and the refs and league will turn a blind eye.

[CatMan72]

This has been a bad PR week for the NFL, I suspect they will instruct the refs to treat Cam with kid gloves. 

[tiger7_88]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

I still don't think refs view Cam as a guy that will get "tradtional" position protection after all this. 

You are, of course, 100% correct.

Dean Blandino, with his "runners posture" justification this week, made that perfectly clear.

Because, as you, I, and everyone with a brain knows, in NONE of the situations where he was taking hits to the head by Dirty Denver was he in a "runners posture".  He was a passer and CLEARLY a passer in every damn one of them.

[tiger7_88]

5 hours ago, rodeo said:

zest and pep

How about your get-up-and-go?

[tiger7_88]

4 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Here's the deal: We can't keep going down the road butthurt over Cam taking those hits. Publicly, the NFL fined the two most flagrant hits and followed their basic policy on that. They did not, however, say "Hey, go knock his head off, it's only $24k in costs to win a game."

Well, practically, that's pretty much exactly what they did.

 

4 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

You had better believe that the refs at our next game are going to be on top of this before it gets out of hand. They'll shut it down the first time SF or we take a headshot on a QB. Period.

Head of Officiating Dean Blandino has ALREADY this week set up their future "runners posture" defense.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

Well then you're a PoS to sink to their level. You think Ron would ever instruct his players to target a player's head, regardless of what the refs are doing? Chip Kelly strikes me as arrogant but not a total PoS like what you're suggesting.

I think there are plenty of NFL coaches willing to suggest players should push the envelope on those type things.  I think there are also plenty of players that will choose to push the envelope without it coming approved by a coach.

Pointing out good guys who wouldn't doesn't cancel out all those guys from existing 

 

[Chaos]

Jesus, wait until we play the Rams, Fisher will have those boys head hunting.

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[t96]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I think there are plenty of NFL coaches willing to suggest players should push the envelope on those type things.  I think there are also plenty of players that will choose to push the envelope without it coming approved by a coach.

Pointing out good guys who wouldn't doesn't cancel out all those guys from existing 

 

I'm sure that's true, but that's not the point of my post. You said that's what you'd do if you were San Fran or any other team. I'm saying not all the teams would think like that, and Kelly hasn't shown anything that would make me think that San Fran is a team that would. And their top defensive players haven't shown that either. Bowman is a standup guy and he's the leader of that D. I cannot see him targeting a player's head. Would he go all out and try to destroy Cam with legal tackles? Yeah for sure, he's a badass. But I don't see them playing dirty. The Rams on the other hand... Sure there are some bad coaches/players out there but the majority aren't like that.

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

I'm sure that's true, but that's not the point of my post. You said that's what you'd do if you were San Fran or any other team. I'm saying not all the teams would think like that, and Kelly hasn't shown anything that would make me think that San Fran is a team that would. And their top defensive players haven't shown that either. Bowman is a standup guy and he's the leader of that D. I cannot see him targeting a player's head. Would he go all out and try to destroy Cam with legal tackles? Yeah for sure, he's a badass. But I don't see them playing dirty. The Rams on the other hand... Sure there are some bad coaches/players out there but the majority aren't like that.

I'll be completely honest, SF's personnel is off my radar as of late.  I don't really know what they have outside of Bowman anymore 

[panthers55]

First of all given Cam showed no ill effects from 4 helmet to helmet hits in week 1 so trying to keep doing it is poor strategy and unlikely to work.  Secondly I guarantee that although the NFL downplayed the hits, they told the refs to protect him and don't let it keep happening. It was a huge embarrassment to the league and the media storm will grow exponentially if it happens again. The his league always overcorrects to issues and this time I expect it to be in our favor.

[Millioso7]

Augh blah blah.. Was that cams 1st game in the league? You would've thought so.. let it go damn.. Yes it will happen again.. Will it stop us? No.. Raiders game Mike Mitchell? This is nothing new cmon man..

[Panthers8969]

I disagree.  It needs to be our Offense that makes them pay for this.  If a defender takes cheap shots at Cam, he needs to get bodyslammed by 300 pound screaming mountain man after every play.

So much this. Someone on that o line needs to fuging lay someone put the next time the refs turn a blind eye to helmet to helmet contact. As someone else said, if it's a hard legal hit, fine whatever. An illegal hit that isn't called and is blatantly done to injure cam needs to be followed with a just as illegal hit


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