Two to think about.

[iamhubby1]

6 minutes ago, Your GFs favorite huddler said:

If it were penalties for being too agressive you know like roughing or PI I could understand but it's bonehead penalties, ticky tack stuff  which does give me hope that it will get corrected 

 

Rivera drills discipline. We are normally, once we get going, one of the least penalized teams in the league. It will be corrected.

 

Lions fans are convinced that the NFL hates them too. Officials are iffy at best. The good news. When we are playing well, they have no impact. The ONLY time they impact us? Is When we allow them too. Or we play the Broncos.

[iamhubby1]

9 minutes ago, juliosantos said:

PENALTYS KEEP fuging US AND BAD FIELD POSITION. JUST WATCH TOMORROW  ALMOST EVERY BIG PLAY GETS BROUGHT BACK  

 

Not sure they heard you in Alaska. But I agree with you sentiment. Clean this mess up, and we are one tough team to beat.

[PhillyB]

definitely odd for a ron rivera coached team. i really think these are all fixable things and we'll get them corrected... the only way it'd really be unfixable is if we didn't have the players or the scheme to succeed, and we have both.

[Captain Obvious]

3 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

thanks captain obvious

you're welcome I guess. 

[iamhubby1]

32 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

definitely odd for a ron rivera coached team. i really think these are all fixable things and we'll get them corrected... the only way it'd really be unfixable is if we didn't have the players or the scheme to succeed, and we have both.

 

All three of your points are valid. For the last year and a half, RR has this team playing very disciplined football. I expect that to be remedied quickly. He is not going to allow this to continue. Tough, hard nosed disciplined football. THAT is Panther football. And most of us do believe it will be back sooner than later.

 

We beat you up, we put pressure on you, (Offensively, and Defensively.) then we wait for you to implode.

[iamhubby1]

33 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

you're welcome I guess. 

 

I appreciate you diving on that hand grenade. Not many would man up and do so. You da man.

[Darvinsun]

To me it looks like the refs are paying close attention on the offense side of the ball to limit plays..some penalties are minor ones that most get away with and since we are or was the number offense with Cam as quarterback we are getting no calls when it comes to the offense..where as the teams that play against us are getting away with murder..everyone in the league is against Cam it seems..Even his own coordinator who refuses to adjand Rivera just stands there like a deer caught in headlights dazed he has to start reeling in Shula.Sure player execution may have caused some of Shula plays not to work and maybe we still win if they are executed the game should not have to be perfect, players should not have to be perfect. A good coordinator knows his players weakness and studies the opponents and can figure out how to attack. these games should not even be close if he adjust to what the defense has taken away..the days of getting by with Cam's athletic ability are over. Coordinators have film and they know Cam's tendencies....they are sending the farm and mixing up the blitzes, and they are coming in fast..they know cam wants big plays down field and they are salivating...Shula needs to mix things up short plays and long plays..It's the only way Cam will survive..that is how you become a dynasty...learn how to play chess.and flicking adjust. Patriots and Steelers learn from them that is offense.

[arbnranger]

26 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

To me it looks like the refs are paying close attention on the offense side of the ball to limit plays..some penalties are minor ones that most get away with and since we are or was the number offense with Cam as quarterback we are getting no calls when it comes to the offense..where as the teams that play against us are getting away with murder..everyone in the league is against Cam it seems..Even his own coordinator who refuses to adjand Rivera just stands there like a deer caught in headlights dazed he has to start reeling in Shula.Sure player execution may have caused some of Shula plays not to work and maybe we still win if they are executed the game should not have to be perfect, players should not have to be perfect. A good coordinator knows his players weakness and studies the opponents and can figure out how to attack. these games should not even be close if he adjust to what the defense has taken away..the days of getting by with Cam's athletic ability are over. Coordinators have film and they know Cam's tendencies....they are sending the farm and mixing up the blitzes, and they are coming in fast..they know cam wants big plays down field and they are salivating...Shula needs to mix things up short plays and long plays..It's the only way Cam will survive..that is how you become a dynasty...learn how to play chess.and flicking adjust. Patriots and Steelers learn from them that is offense.

tl;dr- Refs against Cam, Shula and Rivera head up butt, need to adjust and improve. 

Your welcome. c:

[iamhubby1]

29 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

To me it looks like the refs are paying close attention on the offense side of the ball to limit plays..some penalties are minor ones that most get away with and since we are or was the number offense with Cam as quarterback we are getting no calls when it comes to the offense..where as the teams that play against us are getting away with murder..everyone in the league is against Cam it seems..Even his own coordinator who refuses to adjand Rivera just stands there like a deer caught in headlights dazed he has to start reeling in Shula.Sure player execution may have caused some of Shula plays not to work and maybe we still win if they are executed the game should not have to be perfect, players should not have to be perfect. A good coordinator knows his players weakness and studies the opponents and can figure out how to attack. these games should not even be close if he adjust to what the defense has taken away..the days of getting by with CYesam's athletic ability are over. Coordinators have film and they know Cam's tendencies....they are sending the farm and mixing up the blitzes, and they are coming in fast..they know cam wants big plays down field and they are salivating...Shula needs to mix things up short plays and long plays..It's the only way Cam will survive..that is how you become a dynasty...learn how to play chess.and flicking adjust. Patriots and Steelers learn from them that is offense.

 

First, I want to make this perfectly clear. There is no conspiracy against the Panthers. Referee's are a hot topic right now. We are not the only team that believes the refs are against them. So let's get that out of the way right now.

 

Second, yes Shula, and this Offense, are a hot topic right now. But, us, as fans, really have no frame of reference. We really have no idea what is actually supposed to happen. All we see is the results, not the actual plan. Things are not going as panned right now. But, outside the team, no one knows exactly what is going wrong.

 

Third, Cam has a lot of control of this Offense. He may not be Peyton, but he knows this O backward and forward. It is naive to think that when Cam scans the field pre-snap, that he has all of a sudden forgotten what to do. That he has forgotten how to read a D. He is the riegning MVP, we have a top 10 D. Things will get back to normal.

 

Lastly, it comes down to fans. Some have the patience to see this through. Knowing we have a darn good team, and things look bright up in here. Some are not happy, and they will harp on anything they see, whether is be real, or imagined.

[iamhubby1]

19 minutes ago, arbnranger said:

tl;dr- Refs against Cam, Shula and Rivera head up butt, need to adjust and improve. 

Your welcome. c:

 

To quote @TheSpecialJuan. Yup.

[csx]

huh....playing well makes you play well....I like it

[CPantherKing]

2015 Panthers committed 6 or more penalties in 10 games. 5 of those games were the highest scoring games on the season. They  committed 8 or more penalties in 5 of those 10 games. Their 2 lowest scoring games were also their lowest penalty games of 3 and 4 penalties.

No correlation.

It is not about penalties as a whole. You have to look at drives with penalties. Some may have 1 and others may have 2 or 3. It does not matter how many penalties a team had on a drive. All that matters is whether the drive was successful or not.

The drives in both loses with offensive penalties resulted in 2 TDs, 3 punts, 1 missed FG, 1 FG, 1 safety, and 1 INT.  9 drives of 22 drives by the offense had penalties in those losses. 4 were successful and 5 were unsuccessful for a 44% success rate. On drives without offensive penalties, 4 were successful and 9 were unsuccessful for a 31% success rate.

Penalties by the offense do not significantly affect their overall drive production throughout the game.

Is it reasonable to expect an offense to be perfect and commit 0 penalties? No. How many drives with penalties should be expected from the offense on a per game basis? 20%? 30%?

The numbers show the offense is more productive when they commit penalties on a drive. Does that mean the Panthers should disregard penalties on a drive? No. It means focusing on penalties is pointless.

 

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

Penalties? How many of those 25 penalties are bullshyt that cost us?

There were some very questionable penalties.   Especially those weak ass KB calls.

[Smithers]

What is worse is that at least 2 of those penalties called back touchdowns. You just can't take points back off the board.


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