It's Clear--Complete Rebuild Around Cam, Luke, & Olsen

[davos]

I don't typically host negative threads but I've gotta get this out there.   It's year 5/6 with Cam & Luke running the ship.  By now-a fine tuned well oiled machine should have been made but hot damn, there is structural damage, not just some dents.  It seems the whole engine that propelled the SB run blew up.  It's just not the same team and we need something to ignite it.  

*It isn't a dumpster fire or completely falling apart but there is a clear signal to change before those happen. Note-in a weird turn of events, at the same time of feeling this, I think that our current organization has the ability to turn this year around.  This is without even making the changes I'll propose but the problem is that we've yet again, come to this juncture.  I'm not saying, do this right now, because it's just not feasible but the time has come to recalibrate how the team is built and our strategies on both sides of the ball.  

Primary Objectives:

Fire the coaching staff.  Seriously, get them out.  Acquire a top pass rusher. Acquire a top safety.  

Safe: Cam, Luke, Olsen, Turner (That's it IMHO).  We have a case where there's too many that need to go to the point where you have to consider all of the expendables.      

Why?

I think we all know why at this juncture.  

I've loved what Ron has been able to do but I'm seeing coaching fatigue and the same problems we had year one with him and to top it off, just bad execution, staff evaluation, and there's no discipline with the team this year.  I'm not giving the guy another break.   This is like the 3rd season where's this has happened.  He should be beyond certain things he's falling back into.  

Player wise--the old guys that many disliked signing were key in my opinion.  Tillman, Harper, etc.  They were older and had hiccups but there's no issue with fundamentals.   We are throwing guys out there that shouldn't be without vets there to show them what's up.  Experienced WRs are having a field day with us.  

Why are you posting?

In a nutshell, I don't think it could be much worse for the foundational players than it is now anyways so it makes for the perfect time to blow it up and rebuild around them for the long haul/second leg of their tenure.  Many players in the NFL with the rare exception of a Brady/Bill B combo go through this.  

Re-establish how we are built (which should be from the lines out) and get new blood in town.  

Serviceable Interim Option

Steve Wilks babay.  Many know he is the in-practice general for us and I think he's a completely viable guy to have as an interim HC who can win.  

Promote Ricky Proehl to OC.  Not Dorsey.  IMG is fool's gold and it's full of underperforming former players trying to teach.  

Happy times ;)  Flame away.  I've made it to this point; I just really don't like this coaching staff.     

  

 

[Kevin Greene]

Or we could just get an OT, a DE or two and a couple DBs and call it good.

Oh, and fire Shula.

[The Lobo]

I still don't understand how our offense is bad. Everyone is back plus KB.

[davos]

Just now, Kevin Greene said:

Or we could just get an OT, a DE or two and a couple DBs and call it good.

I want destruction Kevin Greene.  Destruction I say!

[davos]

Just now, El Dandy said:

Delete your account. 

 

I've already been sitting through over half a decade of rebuilding with Cam and Luke. 

Thanks for the kind words.  I'm speaking both staff and personnel...and we've had the same HC since day 1 with Cam.    

[TylerDurden]

No, a rebuild wouldnt be necessary if we had a competent GM who wasnt too preoccupied with his ego to bother with improving a superbowl roster.  That and a competent coaching staff...  those would go a long way in fixing the current mess.

[juliosantos]

[Wundrbread33]

I should be pissed about OP's entire premise...

 

...but I can't get over how he wouldn't keep Norwell...

 

...you lost me at Norwell not being safe...

[mc52beast]

So basically what is being said here is that we have more players safe than the Browns...

 

[PhillyB]

no way dude. we're close, we just need a tune-up. this whole thing can be fixed in an offseason.

[Daddy_Uncle]

2 hours ago, The Lobo said:

I still don't understand how our offense is bad. Everyone is back plus KB.

because defenses have figured out how to stop us and we haven't adjusted because Shula doesn't know how so he keeps doing the same predictable stuff

[uncfan888]

2 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

no way dude. we're close, we just need a tune-up. this whole thing can be fixed in an offseason.

I agree.  Just sucks that it wasn't fixed last offseason. I don't understand how a team that has its deficiencies put under a microscope during that poo super bowl does nothing to address them

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, The Lobo said:

I still don't understand how our offense is bad. Everyone is back plus KB.

Its either all Cam Newton's fault.

Or its all Mike Shula's fault.

Funny, but I didn't notice Cam Newton getting LESS talented over the off-season, IYKWIM.

[UpstatePanther]

2 hours ago, davos said:

I don't typically host negative threads but I've gotta get this out there.   It's year 5/6 with Cam & Luke running the ship.  By now-a fine tuned well oiled machine should have been made but hot damn, there is structural damage, not just some dents.  It seems the whole engine that propelled the SB run blew up.  It's just not the same team and we need something to ignite it.  

*It isn't a dumpster fire or completely falling apart but there is a clear signal to change before those happen. Note-in a weird turn of events, at the same time of feeling this, I think that our current organization has the ability to turn this year around.  This is without even making the changes I'll propose but the problem is that we've yet again, come to this juncture.  I'm not saying, do this right now, because it's just not feasible but the time has come to recalibrate how the team is built and our strategies on both sides of the ball.  

Primary Objectives:

Fire the coaching staff.  Seriously, get them out.  Acquire a top pass rusher. Acquire a top safety.  

Safe: Cam, Luke, Olsen, Turner (That's it IMHO).  We have a case where there's too many that need to go to the point where you have to consider all of the expendables.      

Why?

I think we all know why at this juncture.  

I've loved what Ron has been able to do but I'm seeing coaching fatigue and the same problems we had year one with him and to top it off, just bad execution, staff evaluation, and there's no discipline with the team this year.  I'm not giving the guy another break.   This is like the 3rd season where's this has happened.  He should be beyond certain things he's falling back into.  

Player wise--the old guys that many disliked signing were key in my opinion.  Tillman, Harper, etc.  They were older and had hiccups but there's no issue with fundamentals.   We are throwing guys out there that shouldn't be without vets there to show them what's up.  Experienced WRs are having a field day with us.  

Why are you posting?

In a nutshell, I don't think it could be much worse for the foundational players than it is now anyways so it makes for the perfect time to blow it up and rebuild around them for the long haul/second leg of their tenure.  Many players in the NFL with the rare exception of a Brady/Bill B combo go through this.  

Re-establish how we are built (which should be from the lines out) and get new blood in town.  

Serviceable Interim Option

Steve Wilks babay.  Many know he is the in-practice general for us and I think he's a completely viable guy to have as an interim HC who can win.  

Promote Ricky Proehl to OC.  Not Dorsey.  IMG is fool's gold and it's full of underperforming former players trying to teach.  

Happy times ;)  Flame away.  I've made it to this point; I just really don't like this coaching staff.