PFF with the right prediction; predicted our secondary to be last in the Preseason. We're dead last right now as well.

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1 hour ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Dude nobody said he he was all of our success but he did have a good amount of role but let's put it this way ppl on board claims that D.G.  Is the sole reason for our turnaround. Yes he fixed a lot of the cap isssue but he inherited plenty of talented core players to work around with. 

I can agree with that

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44 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Dude idk what your talking about D.G. received probably one of the more talent core especially in key position . Franchise QB, LB, DE, CB most new GM's dont even start with this kind of talent & every G.M. faces subpar plalyer hence they where hired but D.G. basically recieved gift from football Gods. A lot of those aging vets where foreced to retire or he didn't try to explore a reasonable deals that could have contributed for 1-3 years aka Allen, Peanut, Harper, Smith,  etc which was his own doing mainly to ego issue. Also if you want replace aging vets you invest in draft couple of years ahead but he seemed to focus on areas of strength instead. We could have drafted a C, Tackle etc that would have been ready to take over the duties &  of course he let go of players that could be part of the team for several years due to ego again aka Norman, Bene, Munnerlyn, Gross. 

Draft is your best safeguard against the cap for replacement but D.G. doesn't know how build a balanced team.  Relax coaches & players will save this season. D.G. should go this year or next.

Core Players:

Cam

Luke

Olsen

Star /KK

KB

Turner / Norwell

Bradberry

 

There's a lot of speculation you're throwing out there.  If that team was more talented then why weren't they winning until Dave started adding and removing pieces?    Same coaches right?   

 

KB and Bradberry even Shaq have yet to prove they will be core players.   Granted the look good so far but i wouldnt pay top dollar for any of the three even if the become the best in the league.  Those postions are easier to replace than all pro QB, MLB, LT and TE.  The only core that is certain are the ones that Dave signs to an above average long term contract.   He has two of the three at the moment and a bunch of talented guys half assing it on game day.   I'm still waiting for him to show us where he going to redirect the cash since CB isn't high on the list. You can assume you know what positions are core all you want but the fact is he's not finished yet in my opinion.   He's got to spend it eventually.  On who besides Cam, Luke and Greg is mystery at this point.

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5 hours ago, Bogart said:

There's a lot of speculation you're throwing out there.  If that team was more talented then why weren't they winning until Dave started adding and removing pieces?    Same coaches right?   

 

KB and Bradberry even Shaq have yet to prove they will be core players.   Granted the look good so far but i wouldnt pay top dollar for any of the three even if the become the best in the league.  Those postions are easier to replace than all pro QB, MLB, LT and TE.  The only core that is certain are the ones that Dave signs (New GM) to an above average long term contract.   He has two of the three at the moment and a bunch of talented guys half assing it on game day.   I'm still waiting for him to show us where he going to redirect the cash since CB isn't high on the list. You can assume you know what positions are core all you want but the fact is he's not finished yet in my opinion.   He's got to spend it eventually.  On who besides Cam, Luke and Greg is mystery at this point.

CB is probably 2/3rd most valued position & hardest behind QB. If you know where the  league is trending  you could argue that CBs are even more valueable than Pass rushers, Just look at what Seattle has done and what Broncos had to do to win the SB, it wasn't the pass  rusher but the secondary that got them over the hump.  The core I mentioned above  is based on Panther's philosophy & Identity on offense and defense which is stopping the run and running the ball thats why the interior OGs&DTs  are  the foundation of this team. Also you mentioned  that LT is one of the hardest postion to replace  then why didnt Gettleman draft one before forcing Gross to retire or possibility of extending him so he could mentor the replacement well I tell you why because Gettleman doesn't know how to plan for the future. 

[iamhubby1]

18 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Coelman was never that good to begin with, go look at his Eagles tape, he was awful. Both the Chiefs and Vikings didn't want him.

 

Nobody wanted Mitchell, and when he left he got rich. Ginn Jr. chased the money as well. We have a history of making marginal players look good.

 

Coleman had a great year at FS, not sure where your "Coleman was never that good" applies. Moving him to SS hurt, but you should not dismiss last year, his first year, with us.

[iamhubby1]

17 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

CB is probably 2/3rd most valued position & hardest behind QB. If you know where the  league is trending  you could argue that CBs are even more valueable than Pass rushers, Just look at what Seattle has done and what Broncos had to do to win the SB, it wasn't the pass  rusher but the secondary that got them over the hump.  The core I mentioned above  is based on Panther's philosophy & Identity on offense and defense which is stopping the run and running the ball thats why the interior OGs&DTs  are  the foundation of this team. Also you mentioned  that LT is one of the hardest postion to replace  then why didnt Gettleman draft one before forcing Gross to retire or possibility of extending him so he could mentor the replacement well I tell you why because Gettleman doesn't know how to plan for the future. 

 

First, if you thing that the only reason that Seattle, and Denver, only won the SB because of their Secondary? You have pass rushers on both teams that would like a word with you. Both of those teams can get after a QB. That, and Seattle had to gut their Oline to pay for all that Defense, and Denver has had Oline troubles for a while now.

 

It is just the nature of the Salary Cap era. If you load up here, over there may suffer. There is only so much money to go around.

 

Second. When Gman took over, Gross had the highest cap hit on the team, or right at it. They tried to work out a deal to lower that hit. Somehow they could not come to an agreement. So Gross did what he thought was best for the team. He retired. Not sure how that fits into your narrative, but it shows that Gross wanted to help, but Gman could not find a way to make it work. A small misstep to start his era, but a mistake none the less.

 

But I just have no idea where you can say that Gman does not know how to plan for the future? Where is the evidence? He got us out of Cap Hell, so he could use that money in the future. He has not shown what he exactly has planned, but that does not mean he does not have a plan. We just have to wait to see what it is.

[GoobyPls]

3 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Nobody wanted Mitchell, and when he left he got rich. Ginn Jr. chased the money as well. We have a history of making marginal players look good.

 

Coleman had a great year at FS, not sure where your "Coleman was never that good" applies. Moving him to SS hurt, but you should not dismiss last year, his first year, with us.

Mitchell has been in 3 teams in the last 4 years. Coleman has been in 4 teams in the last 2 years. Do the math. Plus Coleman has been up and down since being in Pittsburgh. 

And im tired of marginal player signings. How about we sign a coveted free agent.

 

He was good cause he didn't have to worry about one side of the field, any average safety can be productive in that setting.

 

FYI check the tape half of his snaps have been at FS, he still sucks 

[iamhubby1]

1 minute ago, GoobyPls said:

Mitchell has been in 3 teams in the last 4 years. Coleman has been in 4 teams in the last 2 years. Do the math. Plus Coleman has been up and down since being in Pittsburgh. 

And im tired of marginal player signings. How about we sign a coveted free agent.

 

He was good cause he didn't have to worry about one side of the field, any average safety can be productive in that setting.

 

FYI check the tape half of his snaps have been at FS, he still sucks 

 

And yet, Mitchell did well here. Imagine that.

 

And yet, Coleman played  at a pro bowl level last year. His first year with us. Imagine that.

 

"Check the tape" yeah, like that is where you get your, oh so awesome, information? lol

 

 

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

And yet, Mitchell did well here. Imagine that.

 

And yet, Coleman played  at a pro bowl level last year. His first year with us. Imagine that.

 

"Check the tape" yeah, like that is where you get your, oh so awesome, information? lol

 

 

Played a pro bowl level cause of Norman, Norman leaves he goes back to his normal ways of mediocrity. Thus my comment.

 

Yeah I actually check tape unlike you who just agrees with everything Gettleman does

[iamhubby1]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

Played a pro bowl level cause of Norman, Norman leaves he goes back to his normal ways of mediocrity. Thus my comment.

 

Yeah I actually check tape unlike you who just agrees with everything Gettleman does

 

Or...maybe Josh finally played well, because we put an actual FS behind him. What with Coleman and his 7 INTs covering for Josh's bad plays and all.

 

"I actually check out tape". Wow, that almost sounds footbally. I like how you label me a Gman follower? Where did that come from? Just because your weak argument hasn't changed my  perspective, you throw accusations at me? Wowzer, typical Gman hater. Attack and deflect.

[CPantherKing]

13 hours ago, Bogart said:

There's a lot of speculation you're throwing out there.  If that team was more talented then why weren't they winning until Dave started adding and removing pieces?    Same coaches right? 

They were rebuilt in 2011. They started winning in 2012 (5-1) to finish the season.

2013 was a hands off year for Gettleman. He was instructed to not make any major changes for that season per JR. He signed some bargain bin free agents and drafted players, but that was it. The starting players from 2012 were still the same in 2013 with the exception of Mike Mitchell.

2014 was the first real season Gettleman made changes to the team, and it was disastrous.

 

[GoobyPls]

29 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Or...maybe Josh finally played well, because we put an actual FS behind him. What with Coleman and his 7 INTs covering for Josh's bad plays and all.

 

"I actually check out tape". Wow, that almost sounds footbally. I like how you label me a Gman follower? Where did that come from? Just because your weak argument hasn't changed my  perspective, you throw accusations at me? Wowzer, typical Gman hater. Attack and deflect.

Norman played great the second half the 2014 season and is playing great in Washington, so your Coleman thesis makes absolutely no sense. You have no argument what so ever. At this point you are just blindly responding to anyone who speaks the truth on Gettleman and losing those argument.

 

And just to think 5 months ago if anyone even said something in the slightest negative about fat Dave his hounds would attack you. But know that he's been exposed, their backed into a corner biting at anything that gets close.

[iamhubby1]

10 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

They were rebuilt in 2011. They started winning in 2012 (5-1) to finish the season.

2013 was a hands off year for Gettleman. He was instructed to not make any major changes for that season per JR. He signed some bargain bin free agents and drafted players, but that was it. The starting players from 2012 were still the same in 2013 with the exception of Mike Mitchell.

2014 was the first real season Gettleman made changes to the team, and it was disastrous.

 

 

"2013 was a hands off year for Gettlemen. He was instructed to not make any major changes for that season per JR."

 

The fact that he had to restructure Stewy,  CJ, and Kalil just to get under the cap, had nothing to do with that? But it was JR telling him to be cheap? Ok, quite the s t r e t c h.

 

2014 was the first real season Gettleman made changes to the team, and it was disastrous.

 

The fact that he had no money to resign Mitchell, or Ginn Jr. had nothing to do with this either? Hard to sign players when you have no money. But hey, don't let that little fact get in the way of your oh so unbiased narrative bashing Gman.

 

last off season we finally had some money to play with. It is the first year you can harp on Gman for not spending money. Cuz, you know, it was the first year he actually had money. That would be a true complaint.

 

Harping on Gman for not doing something in years he had no money is lazy, and easy. Go for those low hanging fruit.

 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

"2013 was a hands off year for Gettlemen. He was instructed to not make any major changes for that season per JR."

The fact that he had to restructure Stewy,  CJ, and Kalil just to get under the cap, had nothing to do with that? But it was JR telling him to be cheap? Ok, quite the s t r e t c h.

2014 was the first real season Gettleman made changes to the team, and it was disastrous.

The fact that he had no money to resign Mitchell, or Ginn Jr. had nothing to do with this either? Hard to sign players when you have no money. But hey, don't let that little fact get in the way of your oh so unbiased narrative bashing Gman.

last off season we finally had some money to play with. It is the first year you can harp on Gman for not spending money. Cuz, you know, it was the first year he actually had money. That would be a true complaint.

Harping on Gman for not doing something in years he had no money is lazy, and easy. Go for those low hanging fruit.

Even easier when you're not bound by things like, you know, facts.

It takes effort to actually back things up with verifiable info.  But when you can just make up s--t that has no actual basis in reality (as our resident s--tposter is known to do) crafting an argument is relatively easy.