Daryl Worley up for rookie of the week

[t96]

Worley wasn't even that bad against the Saints and Falcons when we got ripped up in the secondary. People were bitching about Bene's release before by saying he's better than Worley but Worley played better than Bene from the first snap and has shown more at outside corner than Bene did when he was here and having more success before. Johnson at nickel and Bradberry and Worley outside could actually be a top 10 CB group. Safety is still an issue but it's pretty amazing we went from worst in the league to respectable and maybe even great. Bradberry and Worley are obviously still rookies and will make mistakes but they've shown out very very well. And Johnson looks like the best nickel we've had since Captain. Very very excited for this group going forward. Just fuging pissed we dropped the Bucs game. 3-4 would be a lot better right now than 2-5. Still think we can climb out of the hole we dug but it won't be easy.

[Castavar]

11 minutes ago, Nick_81 said:

People still can't get it through their heads, that a vast majority of rookies aren't ever NFL ready out of the gate.  They can't/won't accept the growing pains that come with it.  Not fair to any of them really, and Worley hasn't shown bad play, for the most part.

That's why it still baffles me that we didn't try to get any veteran presence or known CB to go into the season and let the rooks gradually learn. I guess you could say throwing them in the fire has sped up their progression, but I still wanted to compete for a championship THIS year. I mean, I guess you could technically say we still have that chance, but it's going to be a mile climb.

[Nick_81]

7 minutes ago, Castavar said:

That's why it still baffles me that we didn't try to get any veteran presence or known CB to go into the season and let the rooks gradually learn. I guess you could say throwing them in the fire has sped up their progression, but I still wanted to compete for a championship THIS year. I mean, I guess you could technically say we still have that chance, but it's going to be a mile climb.

Well, their mindset was that Coleman was a veteran presence for the safeties, and McClain was a veteran presence for the CB's.  IIRC, it was going to be Bradberry/McClain starting on the outside, and Bene at nickel, or maybe Bradberry/Bene on the outside, and McClain at nickel.  When Bene wasn't quite ready, they had to throw Worley out there, then injuries starting mounting quickly.  By our 3rd game, we were using the bottom of the roster as starters at CB.

Could be we just fell on some bad luck from the beginning, and now that we're getting some people back, it's not quite as bad.  Could be that it was a bad plan from the start... idk really.  I think the most important thing that can happen now, is that our front 4 continues to play like they did Sunday.  They do that, and we won't have a whole lot to say about our secondary.

[AviationMX]

that is good news, he's played well. although have pressure on palmer from the D line helps a bunch...I just don't know if we can make up 3 games on ATL.

[cranky]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

Johnson at nickel and Bradberry and Worley outside could actually be a top 10 CB group. 

Really. You determined this after watching one game? I can give you that they should be better than the worse but top 10? I hope you are right but have my doubts.

[csx]

2 minutes ago, cranky said:

Really. You determined this after watching one game? I can give you that they should be better than the worse but top 10? I hope you are right but have my doubts.

In the upcoming years, why not?

They have a lot of work to get there.

[t96]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

Really. You determined this after watching one game? I can give you that they should be better than the worse but top 10? I hope you are right but have my doubts.

Well I haven't really determined anything, I said they could be something based on things I've seen. Not this one game but every game Bradberry has played in he's looked as good as Josh did as a starter here. And Worley all year has looked solid. Has had some mistakes as a rookie will but he's looked very very solid. As good as Tillman was last year but without the elimination of mistakes of course as Tillman was a 10+ year veteran last year and Worley is a rookie now. Johnson, yes I only have one game to look at but he looked as good as any nickel I've seen in Carolina in years in that one game. Better than Bene ever looked here at nickel. Dude shut down Fitz all game aside from a couple drops Fitz had that would've gone for like 10 yards each. Was also great in run support, as was Worley and Bradberry was when he was playing. That's another reason I really like this group. Top 10 may be a stretch but above average (which would be top 15) is definitely in play I think. Doesn't mean we'd have a top 15 secondary since Kurt and Tre have struggled quite a bit, but the corner group is very intriguing.

[cranky]

4 minutes ago, csx said:

In the upcoming years, why not?

They have a lot of work to get there.

My mistake. I thought you were talking like as of now. Yes, with the coachs they have, I feel good about their chances. I certainly hope you are right.

[CPantherKing]

2 hours ago, Jase said:

I was surprised on monday to hear people still bitching about Worley on WFNZ. To me, he has better closing speed than bradberry and he's gotten smarter every week.  2 months of real film study have done a lot of good for him, I hope bradberry has similar improvement.

Is that why he gave up a TD when Coleman told him he had the outside pre snap, or when he gave up some first downs for not paying attention and being out of position? Luke Kuechly was all over him about those. You could see the frustration Kuechly has with the young CBs on the field.

As for Leonard Johnson, he was out of position a lot. Everyone seemed to be correcting him constantly. Kuechly had to yell at him, Boston had to run up 15 yards to position him. He looked lost. That is expected, but the praise he is getting makes him sound like he is ready to be signed to a long term contract.

Then there is the still inconsistent Robert McClain.

There are more flaws than positives with this secondary. If it were not for the refs helping out the Panthers multiple times and the Cardinals for shooting themselves in the foot with those penalties leading to 3rd and longs (which they still converted some rather easily), that secondary could have easily lost the Panthers another game. 

[CRA]

the WIDE open TD to Nelson.....was a clear indication that this group is still going to be posterized in games to come.  They are still often lost.  

Worley had some of this best defensive plays this past week though.  He is showing improvement in some areas....but realistically, almost any give play could go for a TD with this bunch.

It isn't so much talent just that they are still in over there heads.  Which is too be expected.

[Nate Dogg]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

the WIDE open TD to Nelson.....was a clear indication that this group is still going to be posterized in games to come.  They are still often lost.  

Worley had some of this best defensive plays this past week though.  He is showing improvement in some areas....but realistically, almost any give play could go for a TD with this bunch.

It isn't so much talent just that they are still in over there heads.  Which is too be expected.

Some kind of communication error happened on this play between the coaches. Not sure if a call ever even came in from the sidelines. Even Luke was lost on this play.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, Nate Dogg said:

Some kind of communication error happened on this play between the coaches. Not sure if a call ever even came in from the sidelines. Even Luke was lost on this play.

Nah man, that was on the DB.  Nothing to do w/ the coaches.

Identical thing occurred to Norman when he gave up that game winner (last play of the game) against the Bills and went to the doghouse for half a season. 

Whatever Luke's issue was had nothing to do w/ a basic NFL switch the DBs were executing.   Heck, ever since the Norman play I always watch those switches in that area. 

 

[JawnyBlaze]

3 hours ago, Bartin said:

Rule states that it can still be a penalty even if the initial contact is above the knee

There is also an argument that he was blocked low into Palmer as well. I'm not 100% on the ruling on this particular play but it's definitely something that could be called. We sure as hell would want it called against Cam.

Nope, an arm tackle isn't a forcible hit. If he had dove with his shoulders or head (with the weight of his body driving the hit) it could have possibly been illegal.

[Nate Dogg]

Just now, CRA said:

Nah man, that was on the DB.  Nothing to do w/ the coaches.

Identical thing occurred to Norman when he gave up that game winner (last play of the game) against the Bills and went to the doghouse for half a season.

 

Well I was sitting right there in that corner where he caught the TD and I can tell you the whole defense appeared to be not set and not ready for that play to begin. You could tell Luke was upset before Palmer even released the ball.