Voth suggests Shula could be replaced

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, csx said:

That logically falls on the offer made and the GM. I love gentleman but turning off logic to defend him doesn't make sense 

Or that someone else made a better offer or he just wanted to play somewhere else.

Just pointing out it's never as simple as "we want, we get".

[truthjuice]

43 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

He's one of those "Gettlemen can do no wrong" guys.  

Explains it. 

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Except for try to sign Jared Cook.

You do realize we don't just automatically get whomever we want, right?  No team does.

I realize that just because Jared Cook signed in GB doesn't somehow equate to us not being able to address things like that.  We offer Cook a deal? 

Dave has his own priorities and that is that.  Which is why he drafts backup players with first round picks.  Hunter Henry was there, you could trade for one, all kinds of options...if it was something a GM thought was needed( this whole offseason was about Dave being content and believing he could even weaken the roster)

[DaveThePanther2008]

I am a fan of Gettleman and I believe in his plan.  I do agree he could have spent some of that money and after the season I would hope he would sign the core players we need. 

If he is going to be a tight wad and expect every good player to come out of the draft than I would start to dislike his ego. 

Building through the draft is the correct way to go but you have to fill those gaps with good players until those lower round rookies develop.  Keeping the core of good players should be right there with building.   As they said earlier, no one wants to develop a player for another team.

[truthjuice]

37 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Again, we have 3 studs, 1 starter and 1 JAG. Half of the NFL can't claim that. Two of our starters are out with injuries, and two have regressed (likely linked to our All-Pro center being out). Our back up RT has impressed. How is this on Gettleman? You guys have unrealistic, absurd expectations for our depth. They're called back ups for a reason.

No you didn't absolve the coaching staff but they are directly linked as to why Turner and Norwell are missing easy assignments when last year they weren't. No excuses. Seattle has 3 UDFAs starting and they're winning. The difference here is that Bevell isn't incompetent.

Our starters are fine (assuming Oher recovers).

Okay. Forgive me, but I thought a GM was responsible for bringing in talent. We have  Kalil, Norwell, Oher and Trai. I'm assuming you, like Gettleman, thought we could coast through the season after being exposed with exactly what we had. That's the difference between good and great. The line needed fixing and he ignored it because we were supposed to just ride the wave. So yes, he should've started figuring out what needed to be fixed. Shula had no parts in that. As far as game planning, Shula is terrible but DG is not in the safe house. This is just as much a FO issue as it is a coaching issue (and I do agree that it is a coaching issue, but let's be real). 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Shula has a ton... A TON of talent on the offense, including the best TE and QB in the game. 

 

don't give me a talent excuse. Look around the league, people are doing way more with way less. 

I've said it before, and it doesn't get discussed that often because it's not a commonly known topic, but my opinion has long been that the biggest flaw Shula has isn't his play calling.  It's his play design.

Creating an offensive play at the NFL level isn't as simple as "you run this route, you run that route, you block, etc".  Everything is supposed to coordinate toward a common goal.  When you look at the plays the Saints run - as designed by Sean Payton - those concepts play out beautifully.

Our plays?  Not so much.

I'd add that Shula could have chosen to go away from the read-option but he seems determined to stick with it no matter what,

I'd happily welcome him back as a quarterback or other offensive position coach, but not as an OC.  He's in over his head.

(sadly, so is our head coach)

[pantherclaw]

Fact of life  is injuries at the oline can and does cripple offenses. 

No one knew we'd be without Oher for most of the year. 

Kalil is considered one of the best centers in the league for a reason. losing him hurts our offense, regardless if Gino is available to play of not. 

Sucked that our players took a month to decide they need to stop turning the ball over, and execute. 

Could have won more games. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

34 minutes ago, Catufb85 said:

If Shula is Terminated at the conclusion of the season.  who are possible sufficient candidates...

Norv Turner?  Hue Jackson (if fired from Browns?) I don't really see a lot of offensive coaches who are either HC or current OC's who would leave current positions...

Pat Shurmur : Eagles

Philadelphia Eagles (quarterbacks coach): 2002-2008
St. Louis Rams (offensive coordinator): 2009-2010
Cleveland Browns (head coach): 2011-2012
Philadelphia Eagles (offensive coordinator): 2013-2015

Doug Marrone: Jaguars

New York Jets (offensive line coach): 2002-2005
New Orleans Saints (offensive coordinator): 2006-2008
Syracuse Orange (head coach): 2009-2012
Buffalo Bills (head coach): 2013-2014
Jacksonville Jaguars (offensive line coach/assistant head coach): 2015

Hue Jackson: Browns

Washington (offensive coordinator): 2003
Atlanta Falcons (offensive coordinator): 2007
Oakland Raiders (offensive coordinator): 2010
Oakland Raiders (head coach): 2011
Cincinnati Bengals (offensive coordinator): 2015

Harold Goodwin: Arizona Cardinals

Central Michigan Chippewas (offensive line coach): 2000-2003
Chicago Bears (offensive line assistant coach): 2004-2006
Pittsburgh Steelers (offensive line/quality control coach): 2007-2011
Indianapolis Colts (offensive line coach): 2012
Arizona Cardinals (offensive coordinator): 2013-2015

Darrell Bevell: Seahawks

Connecticut Huskies (wide receivers coach): 1998-1999
Green Bay Packers (assistant quarterbacks coach): 2000-2002
Green Bay Packers (quarterbacks coach): 2003-2005
Minnesota Vikings (offensive coordinator): 2006-2010
Seattle Seahawks (offensive coordinator): 2011-2015

Shurmur is with the Vikings and is a WCO guy.

Bevell is already an OC and is also a WCO guy.

Jackson's probably not getting fired. Marrone is considered kind of a goofball.

Goodwin runs a better system for us (E-P) but I doubt he's available unless his contract is up or Arians gets fired (not likely).

If Shula is fired and Rivera isn't, Norv Turner is likely the first guy that gets a call.

A less likely - but possibly available - option, would be Ken Whisenhunt.

[pepaw]

I wanna jump in but I feel that I can't even be objective with Shula anymore after the Super Bowl. His failure to adjust to Denver's pass rush will always haunt many of us.

[CRA]

I just don't get why I can't be the GM

First order of business is I would go straight to the Big Cat and tell him to  listen up, I got dis.

on Sunday you folks would be in for a treat. You would look out on that field and see the NFL logo replaced with Mike Shula's face air brushed in flipping two birds (one for each side of the stadium).  Mike Tolbert would be the new Sir Purr.  I tell the coaches not bother running (I'll need an offseason to fix that) we run that Oppty Op play from Varsity Blues all game long.  On defense I blitz everyone, every snap, except for Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis is a bad man and if you disagree then it must mean you hate him.  He'll find a way.   I also quit kicking.  I go for it every down.   Wouldn't take long for me to get one of them statues. 

I almost forgot, I would make Zod the official photographer with a nice salary but only allow him to take photos of Shula

[L-TownCat]

3 hours ago, trev230 said:

Our Oline is the largest problem. We lack depth badly. Other teams are dealing with the same and winning though. 

Depth is something you build once you have established productive starters.

C,and G? Check, Check.

LT,RT? Big ol' pile of nope.

[LinvilleGorge]

Remmers is far from average. He's closer to Byron Bell than he is to average. The Oher injury definitely hurt bad.

[outlaw4]

2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I am a fan of Gettleman and I believe in his plan.  I do agree he could have spent some of that money and after the season I would hope he would sign the core players we need. 

If he is going to be a tight wad and expect every good player to come out of the draft than I would start to dislike his ego. 

Building through the draft is the correct way to go but you have to fill those gaps with good players until those lower round rookies develop.  Keeping the core of good players should be right there with building.   As they said earlier, no one wants to develop a player for another team.

Here's a question I have for everyone. For all the griping about the "we should've done more in the offseason", what moves were actually available that could've helped us today? Firing Shula would've been difficult to justify after the 2015 campaign. Keeping Norman might've given us one win or two but doesn't help things on the offense. We'd had to anticipate Oher getting a concussion and find yet another new left tackle, something we haven't found since Gross left. We'd have to find a starting caliber center because our backup plan was going to get hurt. At least Williams is somewhat servicable but that was almost two years in the making. Oh, and a new backup QB too because he cost us a game with all those turnovers.

Not necessarily bashing or defending Gettleman or Shula here but it's easy to trot out the same old lines that I hear not just from this fanbase but all the other ones as well. At least from what I see, we could've plugged one or two holes but any more would've required giving up draft picks and possibly losing another player because not having the money to sign them.

Having said all that, no tears shed if Shula is a sacrificial lamb. His system is just too dependant on having a stable O-line.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Talent issue, point blank that falls on the gm


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