Bradberry and Worley

[Ricky Spanish]

Having to play backups and back ups to backups multiple weeks this season has really hampered our defensive rankings, but when we are healthy the secondary doesn't look horrible. 

[uncfan888]

1 minute ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Having to play backups and back ups to backups multiple weeks this season has really hampered our defensive rankings, but when we are healthy the secondary doesn't look horrible. 

It amazes me how many people on here can't see that..  Or refuse to see it

[sharkkiller]

4 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

 

Opponents have targeted and attacked the rookie CBs in all facets of the game when they are trailing the Panthers in the 2nd half of games - especially the 4th quarter. They have been able to pick up easy 1st downs and chunks of yardage to get in to the red zone. This has unfortunately led to several lost leads and lost games.

So what you are saying is.....teams that are behind in the 4th quarter of games are throwing the ball. No kidding. If they throw the ball to any receiver other than a back or tight end, the odds are very high that it would be a corner back in coverage. And both of the corner backs on the team are rookies. This is the most asinine thing I have heard you say, and that is saying a LOT.

[PantherPhann89]

Let's see how they redeem themselves against Julio...

[juliosantos]

They are good but give up too much short passes

[electro's horse]

They're useful

[RumHam]

4 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

The Panthers have the worst pass defense in the NFL.

• 31st in yards per game.
• 29th in completion %.
• 27th in TDs.
• 27th in yards per attempt.
• They have given up a 95.5 combined rating to QBs.

The 2 things going for the defense are:

1. 5th in interceptions (led by the LBs) There is not a single CB with multiple interceptions.
2. 2nd in sacks.

So, the improvement on the defense is due to the DL getting to the QB and the LBs creating turnovers.

Do you believe that everyone, but the 2 rookie CBs are just horrible in the secondary and the rookies do not factor in to why the pass defense has been so bad?

The Panthers are also 30th in the NFL in stopping 1st downs against the passing game. Compare that to the run defense being 10th in the NFL in stopping 1st downs. Then keep in mind that Bradberry and Worley have given up the most 1st downs on the Panthers defense in the running game.

Some may want to forget just how bad the passing defense is and how badly the secondary ranks in the NFL, but the numbers show where the problem is at on the defense. The major problem lies at CB in both the run and passing game.

Opponents have targeted and attacked the rookie CBs in all facets of the game when they are trailing the Panthers in the 2nd half of games - especially the 4th quarter. They have been able to pick up easy 1st downs and chunks of yardage to get in to the red zone. This has unfortunately led to several lost leads and lost games.

Thank you. The stats at the top don't lie. While these two might have seen improvements, they are still far from competant. I swear people on here are just trying to create hype because they are in denial. Seriously, Rivers threw those same three throws at the end of the game. Coleman might have had the interception, but the receiver blew right by Worley every time. Worley was never in a position to make a play, only Coleman was. We still need a veteran presence at corner. The pressure on the QB has upped, certainly, and that has helped. 

[SOJA]

they're both going to be studs

[gorillamilitia13]

5 hours ago, thomas96 said:

So what you're saying is it wasn't as simple as Josh was shutting guys down last year? What a revelation. Going by what's said on this board, Josh was our entire defense last year and carried the team and letting him go for some rookies was the worst move by any GM in league history.

Well, its up there

[nctarheel0619]

4 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

The Panthers have the worst pass defense in the NFL.

• 31st in yards per game.
• 29th in completion %.
• 27th in TDs.
• 27th in yards per attempt.
• They have given up a 95.5 combined rating to QBs.

The 2 things going for the defense are:

1. 5th in interceptions (led by the LBs) There is not a single CB with multiple interceptions.
2. 2nd in sacks.

So, the improvement on the defense is due to the DL getting to the QB and the LBs creating turnovers.

Do you believe that everyone, but the 2 rookie CBs are just horrible in the secondary and the rookies do not factor in to why the pass defense has been so bad?

The Panthers are also 30th in the NFL in stopping 1st downs against the passing game. Compare that to the run defense being 10th in the NFL in stopping 1st downs. Then keep in mind that Bradberry and Worley have given up the most 1st downs on the Panthers defense in the running game.

Some may want to forget just how bad the passing defense is and how badly the secondary ranks in the NFL, but the numbers show where the problem is at on the defense. The major problem lies at CB in both the run and passing game.

Opponents have targeted and attacked the rookie CBs in all facets of the game when they are trailing the Panthers in the 2nd half of games - especially the 4th quarter. They have been able to pick up easy 1st downs and chunks of yardage to get in to the red zone. This has unfortunately led to several lost leads and lost games.

1st in sacks, just FYI.  

[sharkkiller]

1 hour ago, RumHam said:

Thank you. The stats at the top don't lie. While these two might have seen improvements, they are still far from competant. I swear people on here are just trying to create hype because they are in denial. Seriously, Rivers threw those same three throws at the end of the game. Coleman might have had the interception, but the receiver blew right by Worley every time. Worley was never in a position to make a play, only Coleman was. We still need a veteran presence at corner. The pressure on the QB has upped, certainly, and that has helped. 

Really, all three times? See picture for the first pass. Second pass, yes he was trailing, but the third pass, he dropped the coverage to cover the guy in the flat. At least watch the last 5 minutes of the game before you come spouting crap.

 

 

[RumHam]

47 minutes ago, sharkkiller said:

Really, all three times? See picture for the first pass. Second pass, yes he was trailing, but the third pass, he dropped the coverage to cover the guy in the flat. At least watch the last 5 minutes of the game before you come spouting crap.

 

 

First pass, he had to catch up b/c the ball was in the air. Speaking of crap.

[sharkkiller]

1 hour ago, RumHam said:

First pass, he had to catch up b/c the ball was in the air. Speaking of crap.

Wrong again.

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, RumHam said:

Thank you. The stats at the top don't lie. While these two might have seen improvements, they are still far from competant. I swear people on here are just trying to create hype because they are in denial. Seriously, Rivers threw those same three throws at the end of the game. Coleman might have had the interception, but the receiver blew right by Worley every time. Worley was never in a position to make a play, only Coleman was. We still need a veteran presence at corner. The pressure on the QB has upped, certainly, and that has helped. 

Stats are what you depend on when you don't understand what you're watching.

Stats don't account for progression, like say a rookie playing in their first game versus a rookie playing in their twelfth game.

If anyone thinks you can use stats that stretch back from the beginning of the season to judge how good a player is now,  I'd tell them they don't know much about football.