Fournette in the first? What bothers me

[panther4life]

24 minutes ago, Nails said:

That and Barnett's consistency and upside at only 20 are why Barnett is 1a to my Fournette 1b.  Nothing against the safeties other than I prefer DE by a mile as well.

I'd love for a great DE to be there for us. That being said, I wasn't that impressed by Barnett. I've watched every snap of his from a collection of 2016 games. Thanks to this awesome site https://draftbreakdown.com/players/derek-barnett/

To me he was not good at sealing the edge in run D. I also thought he seemed to be 1 dimensional in skill set. Seems like he has an incredibly quick first step and relies on his speed to run around tackles and seems to take the longest route to the QB(granted he's so good at that it has worked well in college). Youll also notice him bite on playaction and seems to have a hard time diagnosing plays consistently. 

If his talent can be groomed and his skill set further developed to make him a good pro, then I'd be all for him. Just seems I can't be conviced of that as much as I'm convinced Fournette's skill set will translate nicely.

This pick needs to be a home run whoever it is, because if Gettleman does what he's supposed to, we won't draft this low again for a very long time.

 

 

 

 

[*FreeFua*]

As it stands now my money would be on either Fournette or Derek Barnett (who at 8 I don't like) being the pick.

Like previously mentioned in thread I don't think Gettleman really values the safety position. Pairing a high football IQ type safety (Adams) with a guy like Kuechly could do wonders for our secondary as a whole. 

 

 

[CRA]

Just now, ncsportsfan1234 said:

I'm saying he needs to improve his mechanics and footwork and yes I'm saying being such a big piece of our ground attack has kept him from developing that.... he's lost a step.... it's time to have a legitimate nfl running game not based on trickery.... if we want cam to actually develope as a passer we need to take the running burden off him.

 

I don't disagree on needing to have a traditional run game and quit taking shortcuts because we have Cam...

but to me it starts on the OL....not in the backfield. 

But Cam will always be more football player than QB.  That is what makes him special.  I'm not big on this turning him into Eli Manning to milk 3-4 more years out of his career.  He is what he is....and we are wasting him thinking he is the problem when we have done so little around him to let him thrive.  

The lack of investing around him so he can thrive is just us wasting years of a mismatch the NFL had never seen....sad really 

[electro's horse]

CRA just say that no rb is worth the spot I'd agree. 

But don't try to get there by saying fournette isn't great cause uh

[AU-panther]

Top two running backs, based on rushing yards this year, were both rookies.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards/year/2016/seasontype/2 

One was drafted 4th, one was drafted 150th.

The first one had about 300 more yards but he had about 70 more carries.  The second one actually had a bit better ypc.

While it is true that drafting Fornette might allow us to cut Stew and therefore save a little bit of money it sure seems like we have enough needs not to be creating new ones when we don't have to.  Stewart has another year left on his contract and we could always find his replacement next year.  If you keep both on the team that is a lot of cap tied up n in the running back positon.

I definitely understand the appeal though.  Personally I think he is a better prospect then either Gurley or Elliot.  Giving Cam one of the best running backs in the league for the next 8 years definitely wouldn't be bad thing.  He is a physical runner and could take some of the short yardage duties away from cam.  I would also think we would be pretty good at pass protection

I'm guessing he will probably be a top 3 rated prospect on most team's draft board.  The only questions is how much do teams value the position.  

I think there is very good chance he is gone by the time we pick.  If he was to fall to us I could definitely understand why we picked him, I just might go in a different direction if it was my decision. I just hope we don't do anything stupid like trade up for him. 

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, Nails said:

Not ideal but all situations are different.  LT is a premium position, Cam was just beat to a pulp and no one anywhere did anything, our time is now (2018), and the other options, IF Oher doesn't return, are bad to downright nuclear bomb level disastrous.

You're preaching to the choir dude.   I totally agree they need line help upgrades on both ends and center (it's coming sooner than we want).  I'm saying if you're going to invest in a long term solution at premium prices do it on someone that gives you the most time in a core postion on the line at a high level.   Not on an aging vet with maybe two decent years in them at the cost of reducing your draft picks and a poo load of cap space.

[Nails]

21 minutes ago, panther4life said:

I'd love for a great DE to be there for us. That being said, I wasn't that impressed by Barnett. I've watched every snap of his from a collection of 2016 games. Thanks to this awesome site https://draftbreakdown.com/players/derek-barnett/

To me he was not good at sealing the edge in run D. I also thought he seemed to be 1 dimensional in skill set. Seems like he has an incredibly quick first step and relies on his speed to run around tackles and seems to take the longest route to the QB(granted he's so good at that it has worked well in college). Youll also notice him bite on playaction and seems to have a hard time diagnosing plays consistently. 

If his talent can be groomed and his skill set further developed to make him a good pro, then I'd be all for him. Just seems I can't be conviced of that as much as I'm convinced Fournette's skill set will translate nicely.

This pick needs to be a home run whoever it is, because if Gettleman does what he's supposed to, we won't draft this low again for a very long time.

 

 

 

 

Critiquing Barnett is like critiquing Scarlett Johansson because her butt isn't QUITE as big and juicy as J-Lo's.  Good grief.  The guy is an all around DE who not only set Reggie White's sack mark, but affects plays in multiple ways and can even drop into coverage.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/811229203723063300

No perfect woman on earth and no perfect player at 8, but Barnett is a football player and good guy who will certainly grow, and would be manna from heaven for our DL rotation.

[Ace_Aladdin]

19 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Top two running backs, based on rushing yards this year, were both rookies.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards/year/2016/seasontype/2 

One was drafted 4th, one was drafted 150th.

The first one had about 300 more yards but he had about 70 more carries.  The second one actually had a bit better ypc.

While it is true that drafting Fornette might allow us to cut Stew and therefore save a little bit of money it sure seems like we have enough needs not to be creating new ones when we don't have to.  Stewart has another year left on his contract and we could always find his replacement next year.  If you keep both on the team that is a lot of cap tied up n in the running back positon.

I definitely understand the appeal though.  Personally I think he is a better prospect then either Gurley or Elliot.  Giving Cam one of the best running backs in the league for the next 8 years definitely wouldn't be bad thing.  He is a physical runner and could take some of the short yardage duties away from cam.  I would also think we would be pretty good at pass protection

I'm guessing he will probably be a top 3 rated prospect on most team's draft board.  The only questions is how much do teams value the position.  

I think there is very good chance he is gone by the time we pick.  If he was to fall to us I could definitely understand why we picked him, I just might go in a different direction if it was my decision. I just hope we don't do anything stupid like trade up for him. 

Panthers run the ball 50% of time incase people forgot

Tod Gurley was rated high on the Panther's board 

[C47]

1 hour ago, ncsportsfan1234 said:

Aside from 2015 he's never been above 20th in passing TDs yards or completion % rushing records for a quarterback aren't that impressive...

He's also never been able to pass for 4000 yards again since his rookie year.

Yards are yards. Touchdowns are touchdowns. Terrible argument.  

[CPF4LIFE]

2 hours ago, ncsportsfan1234 said:

I don't think Dave has S that high on his board don't think there is a chance he pulls the trigger in the top 10 on a safety.

Maybe in another draft, but when those guys are getting compared to Ed reed and earl Thomas you gotta take a hard look. 

[pantherclaw]

I don't care of stats. 

I don't feel any RB is worth a top 10 pick.

[Guest]

Fournette is BPA at 8 almost without question. Our offense was riddled with injuries on the OL... it was that, and nothing else, that cost us 2016.

If we can get the next AP, we do that. No hesitation.

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[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I don't care of stats. 

I don't feel any RB is worth a top 10 pick.

That's why they pay scouts to evaluate these kids.  If he grades out as top 10 in this class then he's top 10 by their standards not ours.   Does Dave agree?  Who knows.  

I try not to get caught up in the stats myself nor do I watch countless hours of tape or do background checks on these guys so I leave it to the professionals to decide.  As a fan I just cheer on whoever they pick.  I'm as giddy as a kid on Christmas Eve just thinking about getting some new blood on the team.

[pantherclaw]

Just now, Bogart said:

That's why they pay scouts to evaluate these kids.  If he grades out as top 10 in this class then he's top 10 by their standards not ours.   Does Dave agree?  Who knows.  

I try not to get caught up in the stats myself nor do I watch countless hours of tape or do background checks on these guys so I leave it to the professionals to decide.  As a fan I just cheer on whoever they pick.  I'm as giddy as a kid on Christmas Eve just thinking about getting some new blood on the team.

Like I just said in one of the other million threads regarding this kid, I wouldn't be mad, but no thanks.