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Fournette Is the only correct answer If he is there at 8


micnificent28

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We rarely pick In the top 10 these days. Let's not do something crazy and talk about drafting a WR here would would at best come In at WR3(If ginn is gone). We all know our need probably go In this order OT,DE,FS/RB. Unless there is some late riser it probably isn't going to happen at OT. Let's move on from that. DE is unique situation because the pool is bubbling with guys that have the potential to be just what the doctor ordered. But things are really Good right now at the last two positions of need. FS and RB. This Saftey class is amazing(at the top anyway) right along with the RBS coming out. Hooker and Adams are probably day one starters for us and look like amazing prospects in their own right. I can't really be mad at anyone suggesting them at this point. But,I'm sorry...The writing has long been on the wall here. FOURNETTE is the best possible outcome at our pick. Fournette Is that franchise saving player who just happens to be a RB. There are two Rare  once in a generation players in this draft,Garrett and Fournette. Fournette fall into our lap I think we have to take him.

 

The defense could use some upgrades but the offensive totals are the reason we are where we are right now. We went from number 1 rushing offense to whatever we had going on sunday. Fournette would upgrade the offense with or with out stew. Let's be honest, our depth at rb isn't that good. fozzy and payne aren't scaring anyone. Fournette would thrust up back into the discussion of the best 1-2 punch in the NFC South(Atlanta's still probably slightly better). He is was a man among boys day 1 when he stepped on to the field at LSU. He was ranked the number 1 overall player in this drafts junior class. He is AP freaky. He should fall some just because of the position he plays. It has happened the last two years with Bosa and Lenard Williams. Take the Elite talents guys. 

I know most of you are going to say,"This class is deep at RB let's take one latter. Well this class is also just as deep at safety and we could easily be looking at a player like Budda Baker in the second. Just because there are plenty of cars on the car lot doesn't mean a rolls royce and a honda are of the same value. you want the best car.

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I see what you're saying, but my issue is that there are a couple of question marks with Fournette, IMO (his stats vs. good defenses and injury history).  Other than that, he's a beast of a RB.  Comps to Peterson and a freak of an athlete. I do wonder behind a suspect OL and NFL caliber defenses if he is more AD or Darren McFadden.... and I'm a "Fournette to Carolina" guy.

I can't find any issues with Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker.  

Actually, I can find an issue with Hooker but it's irrelevant, TBH.  Drafting Hooker likely means moving Coleman to SS and I prefer Coleman at FS.  Adams gets the nod for me over Hooker for this reason, but in no way do I pass on Hooker because of Kurt Coleman's position for the short term.

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18 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

We rarely pick In the top 10 these days. Let's not do something crazy and talk about drafting a WR here would would at best come In at WR3(If ginn is gone). We all know our need probably go In this order OT,DE,FS/RB. Unless there is some late riser it probably isn't going to happen at OT. Let's move on from that. DE is unique situation because the pool is bubbling with guys that have the potential to be just what the doctor ordered. But things are really Good right now at the last two positions of need. FS and RB. This Saftey class is amazing(at the top anyway) right along with the RBS coming out. Hooker and Adams are probably day one starters for us and look like amazing prospects in their own right. I can't really be mad at anyone suggesting them at this point. But,I'm sorry...The writing has long been on the wall here. FOURNETTE is the best possible outcome at our pick. Fournette Is that franchise saving player who just happens to be a RB. There are two Rare  once in a generation players in this draft,Garrett and Fournette. Fournette fall into our lap I think we have to take him.

 

The defense could use some upgrades but the offensive totals are the reason we are where we are right now. We went from number 1 rushing offense to whatever we had going on sunday. Fournette would upgrade the offense with or with out stew. Let's be honest, our depth at rb isn't that good. fozzy and payne aren't scaring anyone. Fournette would thrust up back into the discussion of the best 1-2 punch in the NFC South(Atlanta's still probably slightly better). He is was a man among boys day 1 when he stepped on to the field at LSU. He was ranked the number 1 overall player in this drafts junior class. He is AP freaky. He should fall some just because of the position he plays. It has happened the last two years with Bosa and Lenard Williams. Take the Elite talents guys. 

I know most of you are going to say,"This class is deep at RB let's take one latter. Well this class is also just as deep at safety and we could easily be looking at a player like Budda Baker in the second. Just because there are plenty of cars on the car lot doesn't mean a rolls royce and a honda are of the same value. you want the best car.

Spot on , Fournette & Garrett are top 2 overall prospects. 

Although the defense was #1 in sacks, the run game was never consistent to control the tempo of the game. 

Secondary will be fine with the growth of the CBs ,  & allow safety to roam more "free". 

P.S. Bradberry is the "Luke" of the secondary. 

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I don't like the fact that our olines run blocking has been abysmal. How will Fournette do when he engages defenders 2-3 yards deep in his own backfield. Against Alabama and several other sec schools he's been nonexistent I'm not sold on him as the clearcut 8th pick. 

Lets see we could draft Fournette at 8 then what safety do we get in the 2nd round that would actually be a upgrade over what we have. Where as we could draft Jamal Adams at 8 and then get Freeman in the 2nd which is a major upgrade from Cap Tolbert and Fozzy

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Of the top 10 rushers in 2016.....ONE was a first round pick (and that guy has undisputed best OL in the NFL).

This isn't 1980.  Teams aren't getting there rush games in the tops of drafts anymore.  There will be tons of opportunity in this draft to boost our run game without using a top draft pick. 

 

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As of Jan 3, for a lot of reasons, I would go below with first 5 picks

1.  Barnett DE

2. Safety (whichever one drops)

3  Elfelin C/G

3Comp Corey Clement RB

4 Antonio Garcia OT

 

Not glamorous but gives value and looks ahead to next season

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also..I don't want a WR but a first round WR would at best be our #3 WR if Ginn is gone?  Huh? Ginn Jr is our best overall WR and he SUCKS be NFL standards.  A top notch rookie WR could easily jump KB and Fun Fun as an OVERALL WR.  Ginn jumped them and Ginn doesn't see the field on just about every team not named Carolina.

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If Gettleman doesn't want Fournette or whatnot, and he's there when we pick, I could see him trading it for a team in love with him to grab an extra 2nd or something.   We could use some extra picks to fill holes.

That being said, I wouldn't mind it, we need someone to take over when Stew leaves.

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