Voth: Proehl didn't really push receivers

[Lumps]

I'm not defending Prohel's shortcomings but I feel needing to push a professional athlete who is paid millions is immature and childish. It's something done in HS and College with children, not adult pros. I'd expect them to be able to do that and coaching comes in with teaching mechanics, technique, game intelligence, and of course the playbook.

 

Basically staying in shape is 101 in this sport, the elite and even decent players probably aren't pushed by anyone but themselves to be there. Just my two cents.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

17 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

He was definitely a player friendly coach. Nothing wrong with that and can be very effective. Tony Dungy comes to mind in his manner on the field.

In the end his guys did not develop as well as the team would like. But, it should be noted, the same was the case in Tampa Bay when Shula was OC. Difficult for a receiver to excel under Shula. 

Who were those WR's though? People used to say the same thing about Mike McCoy and QB's but he never had a blue chipper to develop in the first place. You can't teach ability.

[maddog1945]

Dang, Ricky how you like it under that bus??

I hope Lance Taylor will work and push the receivers.

I wonder who pushed #89?  I believe Ricky was here then!!!!!

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Just now, maddog1945 said:

Dang, Ricky how you like it under that bus??

I hope Lance Taylor will work and push the receivers.

I wonder who pushed #89?  I believe Ricky was here then!!!!!

LOL. Are you seriously asking who pushed Smitty? That guy was as self motivated as they come and then some.

[maddog1945]

1 minute ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

LOL. Are you seriously asking who pushed Smitty? That guy was as self motivated as they come and then some.

Yea, I know. Just being a smart a$$!!!!!

[csx]

12 minutes ago, kaw_liga said:

And....thank you for making my point.

You had no point. My generation is the current generation of parents. It's terrible at parenting and coupled with the generation ahead created the culture we have today. Then we have children and raise them and then blame them. It's like none of the "kids these days" crew took 5 seconds to realize they are the ones who raised them.

 

[Chief Keek]

Interesting, hopefully Taylor can come in and give these guys some motivation to be great. Surely they're not going to let a rookie come in and outwork them.

[outlaw4]

This feels like the days when we wanted Cowher as our coach so he could be yelling and ranting at everyone.

That's not to say that being a hardass doesn't work. It just has to be done the right way because this is a league that has adults that get paid a lot of money. We've seen coaches that have tried a hardline approach and they flame out because the players simply tune them out.

Let's also not forget that sometimes, you have players that will never get it either because their work ethic isn't there or they have hit their ceiling on their potential. It happens and that's why we bring in new faces. 

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, X-Clown on 1 said:

My issue with Benjamin is that if he can't push himself to stay in shape, no coach is going to be able to get out of him his full potential.

I always assumed that as a professional football player at a "skill" position, keeping your body in shape was the minimum that should be required of a player.

I always assumed something like that was "professional behavior".

Funny... I always used to point and laugh at Eddie Lacy. 

[Jeremy Igo]

Who were those WR's though? People used to say the same thing about Mike McCoy and QB's but he never had a blue chipper to develop in the first place. You can't teach ability.

 

Tampa Bay invested a first and second round pick for Shula in consecutive years. They didn't pan out after decent rookie showings.

 

Sound familiar?

 

[Moorgan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Can you teach a work ethic to someone who is not used to having one?

The Army can. :)

[Chief Keek]

2 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

 

Tampa Bay invested a first second round pick for Shula in consecutive years. They didn't pan out after decent rookie showings.

Sound familiar?

I want to say hopefully Shula has learned from his mistakes by now but deep down I still get the feeling that's he's going to be the same.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

He was definitely a player friendly coach. Nothing wrong with that and can be very effective. Tony Dungy comes to mind in his manner on the field.

In the end his guys did not develop as well as the team would like. But, it should be noted, the same was the case in Tampa Bay when Shula was OC. Difficult for a receiver to excel under Shula. 

And Jon Gruden won a Super Bowl with Dungy's team before ultimately proving he wasn't much of a coach himself.

As for Shula, my thoughts on him are pretty well documented. IMO, he's basically a turd that's been floated by Cam Newton.

[beastson]

When did Cotchery become one of our WR coaches