Looking at the fact's Gettleman wasn't poo.

[GoobyPls]

4 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Which proves my point. 

I'll translate what you just said:

"I'm going to say Worley's not a hit and say anyone saying otherwise is a Gettleman homer even though I've been countered with clear-cut evidence saying otherwise and can't bring up any evidence to back my own statement up."

He is a hit. No jury is out on him because he's already proven to be just as solid as Bradberry has been. I provided the film to prove that point, along with statistical evidence as well.

I disproved your statement above. Show me the evidence otherwise.

 

Your a liar. If you watch film you would have seen how Worley was awful last season, the Rams and chiefs games were two of the worst games I've seen a corner play. But he got bailed out by awful QB play

And Ealy is most definitely a bust 

[brandon_87]

there, their, they're 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

9 hours ago, panther4life said:

I must admit, I was solely seeking the attention of his blind worshippers such as yourself and had a strong feeling i'd get that exact response. Humor me and point out my fallacies please. Everyone else had their turn, figured I'd take mine too.

It's you petty little Gettleman haters who keep making new threads about this situation. I say petty because you're  all mad that he didn't pick your guy or sign your guy as a FA. Just stop it already.

[JJman Returns]

9 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

You're one of the more logical people on here and you've turned to supporting hurney too? I've tried to come up for any logical reason for someone to support hurney and I just can't. He's a puppet for the owner and got ran out of town before. Why would we go back to that? 

You can't come up with any logical reason for someone to support Hurney? How about he's the GM of the Panthers and the better job he does, the better the team does. You literally just admitted to being a fake fan. 

Since the huddle consists of about 70% asshats who just gang up on anyone with a different opinion I'm feeling confident in saying you guys will route against Hurney, just so you can say you were right. Let me clarify what you Gettleman dick riders don't understand. No one wanted Gettleman fired and NOBODY WANTED MARTY HURNEY. But he's here, and likely for awhile. So suck it up, stop crying about a game and wish for the best. 

[Saca312]

5 hours ago, top dawg said:

Ealy was most definitely a miss.

Disagree here. I don't see how a guy who would've been Superbowl MVP was a miss. He produced when we needed it most. Even though he fell off a cliff the following season, he still produced in the backend and would've been the key reason we could've won Superbowl 50.

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Bene Benwikere showed some promise, but ultimately turned out to be a disaster, as did Tre Boston.

Bene was injured. Before that, he already showed enough flashes to be a solid corner. He got injured and was unconditioned due to it. For a 5th rounder who was trending up before his injury, he warrants his draft position.

Tre Boston was a starter and was hot and cold. Nevertheless, he was starter material. For the round he's drafted in, that's worth it.

You can't expect pro-bowl All-Pros from the 4th round onward. Heck, Hurney could barely find any from the 2nd round onward. You hope to land someone who'll even contribute. For the value Tre Boston was drafted at, he was worth it.

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Another big debate was whether to tag Greg Hardy. 

Hindsight, we can all agree we never saw his case coming. Based on what he produced before alone, it was worth franchise-tagging your best pass rusher. That's what most teams would do.

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On an off note, even PFF said that Worley "showed promise" the latter part of the season, but they didn't go as far to suggest that he's a lock. He is the one that really came on late. Bradberry was ALWAYS better even in camp as was stated by many, including Igo, it's just that he couldn't show it for most of the early part of the the season because of turf toe. For you to suggest that Worley was better for even the slightest sliver of time is just wrong.

There are plenty of those who've watched film and would even say Worley looks better in part of the season. And putting training camp performance into this doesn't exactly help your case.

A NFLBreakdowns contributor who focus' on the Panthers and watches film:

Another film watcher who contributes to ThePanthersWire:

All the guys shown above contribute to the film community in some way, and analyze and breakdown film at a high level. All have given high praise to Worley. He's a lock.

Like I told the guy before, get out film and prove what I've shown and said is wrong. Otherwise, what your saying is not credible.

 

[*FreeFua*]

13 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Disagree here. I don't see how a guy who would've been Superbowl MVP was a miss. He produced when we needed it most. Even though he fell off a cliff the following season, he still produced in the backend and would've been the key reason we could've won Superbowl 50.

Bene was injured. Before that, he already showed enough flashes to be a solid corner. He got injured and was unconditioned due to it. For a 5th rounder who was trending up before his injury, he warrants his draft position.

Tre Boston was a starter and was hot and cold. Nevertheless, he was starter material. For the round he's drafted in, that's worth it.

You can't expect pro-bowl All-Pros from the 4th round onward. Heck, Hurney could barely find any from the 2nd round onward. You hope to land someone who'll even contribute. For the value Tre Boston was drafted at, he was worth it.

Hindsight, we can all agree we never saw his case coming. Based on what he produced before alone, it was worth franchise-tagging your best pass rusher. That's what most teams would do.

There are plenty of those who've watched film and would even say Worley looks better in part of the season. And putting training camp performance into this doesn't exactly help your case.

A NFLBreakdowns contributor who focus' on the Panthers and watches film:

Another film watcher who contributes to ThePanthersWire:

All the guys shown above contribute to the film community in some way, and analyze and breakdown film at a high level. All have given high praise to Worley. He's a lock.

Like I told the guy before, get out film and prove what I've shown and said is wrong. Otherwise, what your saying is not credible.

 

One game in 3 seasons = not a bust

Well by this logic then I'm not sure how anyone can be a bust. 

 

And "film watchers" jesus, yeah I'm sure that fat dude who struggles to tie his own shows really knows what he's looking at.

You constantly allow your homer side take over your view of everything. Obviously you care a great deal of your reputation on this place. It's posts like these that make the people who actually know a thing or two skip through a lot of stuff you post. 

It's not hard to dig up a few good plays or bad plays on any player fyi.

[TheRed]

9 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

You're one of the more logical people on here and you've turned to supporting hurney too? I've tried to come up for any logical reason for someone to support hurney and I just can't. He's a puppet for the owner and got ran out of town before. Why would we go back to that? 

 

9 hours ago, Saca312 said:

TheRed's been campaigning against Gettleman for a while, if you haven't noticed.

 

 

Uh yeah none of that is true. I've been outspoken about Gettleman's handling of former players at times, and some of his moves or lack of moves with our OL depth over the years, but I've been pretty even keel overall.

This logic that you're bizarrely somehow a Hurney supporter if you aren't uncontrollably balling your eyes out about Gettleman or shouting his name from rooftops is just truly pathetic and weak minded.

And btw you should check yourself before you wreck yourself Saca. Some of us have actually been following the team long enough to know just what Hurney's history here is without having to Google it like you did. Yeah I went there. Don't start none won't be none.

[Carolina Cajun]

So, I'm fully on board with the idea that I don't think Gettleman was this gods gift to man that some make him out to be.  He is/was made out to be something more than he really was.  He was a good at stocking depth on the roster and good with the numbers, but he lacked big time in building relationships and IMO I don't think he was great for top of the roster moves.  FWIW, I also don't think he was a great offensive talent evaluator (as seen by the misses he's had in the drafts on offense vs his defensive misses).

IMO, I think there's more to the story than "he wouldn't sign TD and Olsen".  The more I've thought about the situation, the more I think JR wanted to get rid of him regardless after last seasons debacle.  We are right at the end of what would be considered the GM's season right now as we are about to head into training camp, and I think it's very possible that JR didn't want to pay Gettleman to not do the labor required for all the offseason moves (think of the way JR treated Fox in 2010).  On top of that, cutting him before Olsen/TD/Turner got done and letting Hurney sign those contracts allows Hurney to get the credit for them.  

I think Hurney is fine enough of a talent evaluator to do the job, the problem comes down to finances.  Hurney ran us into cap hell, and if he learns from that or just flat out lets someone else do the finances, then he'll be fine as a GM for us.

[*FreeFua*]

Gettleman's reputation may take a giant hit this year still.

Gettleman decided to sign a complete gamble in Matt Kalil when a very solid Andrew Whitworth was available.

Yes Whitworth is older but we know exactly what we'd be getting the next 2 seasons. Even if his play declines a bit he's still a safe bet.

Kalil, MAY be a better long term signing but the risk is sooooo much higher

[Carl Spackler]

Zack Sanchez is as much like Josh Norman as Randy Fasani is like Cam Newton

Tre Boston was not starter material. He was horrible as a starter. Being named starter does not make you starter material. 

Bene Benwikere was putrid. A clone of Rashard Anderson who couldn't cover a damn thing and deserved to be let go.

And Kony Ealy was a big miss. He had one fantastic game, a few good ones and was unceremoniously let go because he was a big miss.

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Gettleman's reputation may take a giant hit this year still.

Gettleman decided to sign a complete gamble in Matt Kalil when a very solid Andrew Whitworth was available.

Yes Whitworth is older but we know exactly what we'd be getting the next 2 seasons. Even if his play declines a bit he's still a safe bet.

Kalil, MAY be a better long term signing but the risk is sooooo much higher

The whole Kalil thing really bothers me.  It's completely out of character for DG and I've always wondered if his hand was forced to make it happen for some other reason.  No way DG gives that big of a contract to such a questionable talent without some arm twisting.  I don't buy it.

[KB_fan]

10 hours ago, panther4life said:

Ealy- Miss

Turner - Hit

Boston- Miss

Bene- Miss

Gaffney Miss

Ealy - probable miss.  It will be interesting to see what the Patriots can make of him.  Talent is there.  Maybe he needed a coaching change?

Boston - miss

Bene - pre-broken ankle: Hit.  I think he was dismissed prematurely.  And wasn't ready to play early last season. 

Gaffney - incomplete.  He got injured, Patriots stole him from our waivers... can't totally blame DG, though he did make the waiver wire mistake.  Obviously Gaffney hasn't shown much....

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, KB_fan said:

Ealy - probable miss.  It will be interesting to see what the Patriots can make of him.  Talent is there.  Maybe he needed a coaching change?

Boston - miss

Bene - pre-broken ankle: Hit.  I think he was dismissed prematurely.  And wasn't ready to play early last season. 

Gaffney - incomplete.  He got injured, Patriots stole him from our waivers... can't totally blame DG, though he did make the waiver wire mistake.  Obviously Gaffney hasn't shown much....

Ealy - miss. Did not contribute in a manner deserving of draft status, which is the same thing DG fangirls apply to Hurney's picks

Boston - colossal failure as a starter

Bene - see Boston

Gaffney - wasted draft pick. You don't get an "incomplete" when the player contributes 0 minutes

[CatMan72]

Thing that bugs me most was dumping Norman off a SB run when we could afford to keep him under the tag and then "shopping hungry" in the draft as Gettleman liked to say (you should never do) to replace him. You can believe what you want but the idea that 3 corners just so happened to be BPA when our pick came up is BS. 

Gettleman did a lot of good, but the situation with Norman and the draft last offseason was a poo show.