Has Newton been David Carr'd?

[Mr. Scot]

Basically, beaten into shellshock.

Yes or no, and why...

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

I think that's a lot of it.  I think his head hasn't been right after the SB defeat.  He/they looked invincible.  To get beaten the way they did had to be devastating.

There's also the physical part that isn't his fault which only exacerbates the issue, but yeah I think he still has a long way to go before he's truly comfortable again.

[Dunn]

I think he has the yips on occasion...but damn if he still doesn't hold onto the ball too long.  he could avoid half of these sacks/pressures by finding an open man quicker.  Some of/maybe all of that does have Shula to blame as well.

[brandon_87]

You have to assume so. He sees ghosts in the pocket now and that effects his reads and his inner clock. He's damaged, and nobody to blame but DG and RR for not addressing the OLINE sooner

[Rastlet]

He looked fine leading us down the field at the end of the game to open the season against Denver last year. He looked dejected after giving his all only to see Ganope miss the game winner and ruin our season.

[Saca312]

Yeah Cam had no pocket room for the most part yesterday. It was terrible protection from Williams and Kalil.

Cam played like he had a defender inches from him on the snap. That's not how you want your QB to feel.

[*FreeFua*]

I'm not ready to go there yet because we see Cam still step and make throws when there's a clean pocket (which isn't often). 

If anyone saw Goff play on Thursday you saw him go all happy feet the second there was the slightest hint of pressure, Cam isn't afraid to get hit.

But as I was saying yesterday, Cam is someone who needs to get into a rhythm during the game. Cam isn't able to get into any sort of rhythm when he's getting hit every second play. 

I still believe if given even just below average protection Cam can still be that MVP QB. Cam's shoulder also needs to be healthy and with the hits he's taking on Sundays (thanks Kalil) it's obvious he won't be 100% until next season.

[jbland]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Basically, beaten into shellshock.

Yes or no, and why...

I think it’s more likely he’s just not a student of the game. Last off-season he was busy filming his tv show. This year he has 2 kids and surgery.   

If feels like he’s used to relying on athleticism instead of on field knowledge. 

[Mr. Scot]

I know more than one person has said he doesn't look like he's having fun anymore, except maybe right before games begin.

Some have also pointed to the fact that when he scored this week, he didn't give the football away. Granted, that could be situational, but I can't recall the last time that happened.

[g_d0t]

7 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I'm not ready to go there yet because we see Cam still step and make throws when there's a clean pocket (which isn't often). 

If anyone saw Goff play on Thursday you saw him go all happy feet the second there was the slightest hint of pressure, Cam isn't afraid to get hit.

But as I was saying yesterday, Cam is someone who needs to get into a rhythm during the game. Cam isn't able to get into any sort of rhythm when he's getting hit every second play. 

I still believe if given even just below average protection Cam can still be that MVP QB. Cam's shoulder also needs to be healthy and with the hits he's taking on Sundays (thanks Kalil) it's obvious he won't be 100% until next season.

First time I've read something reasonable from you and I completely agree. Cam's shoulder needs to heal. He was struggling with the same slant throws that he would effortlessly throw at like 100 mph on a normal day, and secondly, Cam's deep ball has always been pretty good, but now he can't connect at all. You don't just lose your deepball over a off season.

[Randolph Panther]

Almost reminds you of the first time Clubber Lang beat Rocky up all to hell. 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

His gloves will be much snazzier though

[Jon Snow]

Possibly, he sure doesn't look like an MVP out there.  He's taken a beating for his style of play.  He got by on talent and determination until now but it seems the beatings and life outside of football has taken away both. 

He's trying too hard to make a play even though he's not at 100% and the staff doesn't seem to care.  The league has past judgement on him to allow the beatings to continue until his attitude improves, it's not fun for him anymore.

What you see is a man broken both physically and mentally.

[outlaw4]

Only if he starts wearing gloves all the time:

The closer comparison is Jake Delhomme post Tommy John. A gunslinger QB who loses his arm will not be the same. Different injury here but the effects are similar.