Ron Rivera blew all three timeouts on a single point-less drive in a fourth quarter one-score game against a divisional rival

[PhillyB]

16 minutes ago, fitty76 said:

If I were a coach I would NEVER burn a timeout for a delay of game penalty in the 2nd half.  No matter the situation.  It's 5 yards.  Teams nowadays can make that up no problem.  

exactly. gotta read the situation. bucs surging, we've all seen this movie before. take the five yards.

cam, norv, whoever's at fault, it's ron rivera's team and three timeouts burnt on one drive resulting in no points is a reflection on his ability to manage a game.

[CPF4LIFE]

3 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Seriously Ron needs to hire a coach the only does clock management and timeouts just like McVay did

Lmaooooo....then his only job left would be to stand there and try to look interested. 

[top dawg]

23 minutes ago, Sasquatch said:

Here's your options, you have a younger player max'ed out on skills but hasn't absorbed the full playbook and you have a long toothed player with declining skills who has "been there done that" in all other ways. Do you start the young guy knowing that your playbook is very limited or do you start the old guy and have a wide open play selection although with some limitations in execution and select times to use the young guy? In both cases you  continue to develop the young with the eye to the future.

All we know is option 2 has us at 6-2 this year.

 

I hear you. I still say that it took Rivera too long to figure out that talent trumps experience when the experience isn't giving you the desired results. I'm not in the just-because we're-winning-it's-all-good camp. I like to see us maximizing our talent and benefiting from players being on the field. 

Ron's doghouse is a necessary evil sometimes, but I get sick and tired of his porch the most. He needs to let those young pups off the porch when the old dogs seem to just be going through the motions.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I hear you. I still say that it took Rivera too long to figure out that talent trumps experience when the experience isn't giving you the desired results. I'm not in the just-because we're-winning-it's-all-good camp. I like to see us maximizing our talent and benefiting from players being on the field. 

Ron's doghouse is a necessary evil sometimes, but I get sick and tired of his porch the most. He needs to let those young pups off the porch when the old dogs seem to just be going through the motions.

This goes to the issue.

Whenever people talk about Ron figuring something out, you all too frequently see the word "finally" in the sentence.

That's kind of a problem.

[Khyber53]

Best game played in years. Gotta find something to bitch about.

If we only knew what was the reason for the three time outs. It's an easy cop out to blame Rivera. Chances are each time it saved us a loss of yardage, a wasted down or possibly prevented a turnover. Any of those might have been worse than us just having a long, time-eating drive that didn't score.

[rainwater]

43 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

cam, norv, whoever's at fault, it's ron rivera's team and three timeouts burnt on one drive resulting in no points is a reflection on his ability to manage a game.

Twice the receivers lined up incorrectly and Cam had to call timeout. This isn't Rivera's fault. It is the receivers fault. You could see the disgust in Cam's face both times and even Rivera said after the game that the issue was the "young guys". As much as people here hate when Ron plays vets, there's a reason why they do. You saw that in the game yesterday where the young receivers didn't know how to lineup. 

[tiger7_88]

5 hours ago, Mikey818 said:

Much of these wasted timeouts may be connected to our qb 

At a minimum, ya gotta admire y’alls dedication.

[top dawg]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This goes to the issue.

Whenever people talk about Ron figuring something out, you all too frequently see the word "finally" in the sentence.

That's kind of a problem.

I agree. The thing is though, as long as we're winning and the team is having a modicum of success and knocking on the door, it will always be "kind of a problem," and not necessarily a "big problem." Until it's a "big problem," the Rivera skeptics risk sounding like haters.

[Navy_football]

Samuel and Moore out here beasting linebackers and DBs, and we complaining about timeouts?

Really? Let's just keep the players in that can line up correctly every play, and then can't get open, or can't catch it when they do get open, or just falls down when they actually catch it. 

Get out of here with that. You're gonna get a few popups and strike outs when you swing for the fence!

[MasterAwesome]

2 hours ago, PhillyB said:

No, it's not the same thread, which was a reaction to observations but not reactionary (which by definition is emotional-fueled and lacking logic or substance, which mine was not.)

Have you heard the expression "poo rolls downhill?" It's a common term in the military that refers to a dynamic of discipline wherein a commanding officer gives his immediate inferior poo for something that gets messed up, that inferior gives his inferior poo, all the way downhill until the offending party has been reached.

poo also rolls uphill. That means the guy at the top bears ultimate responsibility for the performance of everyone under his command.

The analysis that Ron didn't personally call time outs on all of the questioned plays is accurate and should be taken into consideration. But the head coach is responsible for the discipline of his players and ultimately timeouts getting wasted falls on his shoulders, whether it's because he misused them, his OC didn't get the play call in on time, or his undisciplined players slouched in a time crunch. 

This is not a new criticism, follows a longstanding trend, and is corroborated by countless other anecdotes, and therefore is neither reactionary nor insignificant an observation. Don't comment if you have nothing to say.

First off, your initial thread yesterday got locked...therefore obviously mods deemed your thread to be reactionary. If you don’t think so, then your qualms with that label would have to be taken up with them.

That was a very long and drawn-out post to basically just answer “yes” to my question of if you believe Ron is to blame for everything simply because he is the head coach. Although if you’re going to go that route of saying that Ron is indirectly responsible, then your thread title is laughably misleading and doesn’t exactly corroborate your claim that this is not reactionary in nature. Rather, it indeed makes your thread sound both misinformed and emotionally fueled.

[top dawg]

I guess what he is saying is that if you're going to put Rivera on blast, at least make it something that he is directly responsible for.

[PhillyB]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Best game played in years. Gotta find something to bitch about.

If we only knew what was the reason for the three time outs. It's an easy cop out to blame Rivera. Chances are each time it saved us a loss of yardage, a wasted down or possibly prevented a turnover. Any of those might have been worse than us just having a long, time-eating drive that didn't score.

Meh, I'm not bothered by people discussing the team's downsides following a win if it's a thoughtful observation. Part and parcel of the message board experience.

I haven't rewatched the game and I'll accept the premise of those who paid better attention that Rivera wasn't directly responsible for all the timeouts, so perhaps the OP didn't give him the fairest shake. That said, he is notorious for D-grade clock management (and by proxy coaching his offense into handling it in these types of situations) and it's something that could hurt us down the road. This doesn't take away from his strengths, as per the OP.

Here's Ron outcoaching Mike Tomlin and making this thread look silly.

[Shaqil915]

We’re gonna learn a lot about our HC as soon as Torrey Smith is healthy.

Our new owner included...

[panthers55]

Just now, Shaqil915 said:

We’re gonna learn a lot about our HC as soon is Torrey Smith is healthy.

Our new owner included...

You do know that keeping people out based on injuries is a strategy the Panthers use with a starter they want to keep but like someone else in their spot. It save face with vet while a young guy gets his reps. Not sure how hurt he is but no one is in a hurry to bring him back.