The coming offseason

[Mr. Scot]

(I've said this in a couple of different places so I decided to just go ahead and put it in its own thread)

The coming offseason is likely to be an important one for the Panthers.

We'll have current starters (Devin Funchess, Mike Adams, Chris Clark) and longtime stalwarts (Ryan Kalil, Thomas Davis, Julius Peppers) possibly / probably moving on, or being moved on from. There will also be free agent decisions (Funchess, Darryl Williams, Eric Reid) and decisions on what to do with important positions (give Kawann Short and Dontari Poe another year? Continue to trust Graham Gano? stick with Matt Kalil or dump him and start Taylor Moton on the left?) and since there are relatively few players already under contract for next season, a fair amount of cap space.

For these reasons and more, there's a strong chance the Panthers roster will look very different next year. We're set up for a large scale overhaul, and the decisions that are made this offseason have the potential to affect the Panthers for several years down the road.

So here's what we have to ask ourselves...

Do you trust our current leadership to set the Panthers up for the foreseeable future?

To borrow from an old Bill Parcells analogy, right now, Ron Rivera is writing the shopping list, Marty Hurney is the one doing the grocery shopping, nd once the ingredients are in place, Rivera and his staff make the meal.

I'm probably the world's worst cook, but even I wouldn't allow either of those guys in my kitchen. Neither do I think it's enough to simply replace one of them. I think we have to go with a completely fresh start.

Now I know some will say that's scary, and it's understood. There's no way to know for sure whether a new coach or a new GM will be better than what we have. There is even the potential that they could be worse.

But here's the thing: We already have guys in place who just aren't up to the task. And if I have to choose between starting over with somebody who might be bad but might be good or sticking with somebody who I know isn't good, I'm going to take Option A every time.

if you're unhappy with what we have now, imagine how you'll feel after five more years of the same people running the team.

I am just not down for that.

So you tell me: Are you willing to trust a major roster shake up to the people who brought you this season so far, are you ready to part ways with one but not the other, or do you want to clean house?

Make your case.

[Toolbox]

I want a complete overhaul.. no more JR stink.

[joeyxfresco]

Yea I’m okay with moving on from Ron and Marty

[Cary Kollins]

Can’t vouche for accuracy but seems legit enuff 

 

[RumHam]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

(I've said this in a couple of different places so I decided to just go ahead and put it in its own thread)

The coming offseason is likely to be an important one for the Panthers.

We'll have current starters (Devin Funchess, Mike Adams, Chris Clark) and longtime stalwarts (Ryan Kalil, Thomas Davis, Julius Peppers) possibly / probably moving on, or being moved on from. There will also be free agent decisions (Funchess, Darryl Williams, Eric Reid) and decisions on what to do with important positions (give Kawann Short and Dontari Poe another year? Continue to trust Graham Gano? stick with Matt Kalil or dump him and start Taylor Moton on the left?) and since there are relatively few players already under contract for next season, a fair amount of cap space.

For these reasons and more, there's a strong chance the Panthers roster will look very different next year. We're set up for a large scale overhaul, and the decisions that are made this offseason have the potential to affect the Panthers for several years down the road.

So here's what we have to ask ourselves...

Do you trust our current leadership to set the Panthers up for the foreseeable future?

To borrow from an old Bill Parcells analogy, right now, Ron Rivera is writing the shopping list, Marty Hurney is the one doing the grocery shopping, nd once the ingredients are in place, Rivera and his staff make the meal.

I'm probably the world's worst cook, but even I wouldn't allow either of those guys in my kitchen. Neither do I think it's enough to simply replace one of them. I think we have to go with a completely fresh start.

Now I know some will say that's scary, and it's understood. There's no way to know for sure whether a new coach or a new GM will be better than what we have. There is even the potential that they could be worse.

But here's the thing: We already have guys in place who just aren't up to the task. And if I have to choose between starting over with somebody who might be bad but might be good or sticking with somebody who I know isn't good, I'm going to take Option A every time.

if you're unhappy with what we have now, imagine how you'll feel after five more years of the same people running the team.

I am just not down for that.

So you tell me: Are you willing to trust a major roster shake up to the people who brought you this season so far, are you ready to part ways with one but not the other, or do you want to clean house?

Make your case.

Which is why hurney is day one out the door. Tepper will want to start molding the franchise

[RumHam]

6 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

Can’t vouche for accuracy but seems legit enuff 

 

Literally 5/6 of these are hurney moves. When u see it in front of you, it's worse. Gtfo

[LinvilleGorge]

Our defense has gotten old and we have a conservative, defensive minded coach. Meanwhile, our offense has an elite franchise QB surrounded by high potential dynamic young weapons. It seems obvious to me that we need a new approach. This is no longer the type of team that Rivera and his philosophy can consistently win with.

Bring in an aggressive offensive minded head coach and encourage him to hire a seasoned defensive mind as DC.  

Hurney? Please. It was a joke he was brought back in the first place. Regardless of what happens with the coaching staff I think we absolutely see a GM change this off-season. Sign a FA DE and target both DE and DT early in the draft. This is the strongest DL draft in recent memory and we desperately need an infusion of young DL talent.

In the perfect world, my draft would go something like this:

1. DE

2. A true sideline to sideline FS

3A. DT

3B. C

4. TE

5. RB

6. OL depth

 

 

 

[Jmac]

If this all goes down as you suggest (with enough cap money and a good draft, along with a new energized coaching staff), I would be all for it. Personally, I am sick of being pissed off year after year with this team 

[davos]

Darryl Williams is the only guy worth re-signing.  

Let the rest walk.  Seriously, our internal UFAs are nothing this coming season.  

Poe and Kalil can be cut.  Kalil may not make sense financially but I think it will be worth it given how much cap room we'll already have.  This will be the best shape we've been in cap wise since Hurney's grand payday spectacular with Delhomme & Co.  

I'd respectfully send off Rivera and get an entire new staff.  If we wait another year, Cam will have a decade under his belt with Rivera and nothing to show for it.  Cam's 9th-14ish years in the league will be the remaining window we have with him and it would be such a shame to keep Rivera around through it all.  

 

[jfra78]

This is why we should have went all in on this year.  

[brandon_87]

56 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

Can’t vouche for accuracy but seems legit enuff 

 

That is a sad cap # even with all the subtractions

[Thompcat]

With all the turnover in personnel that's coming next year I'm not sure Hurney can make the best decisions. I'm for a new GM and can't see him keeping Ron with the kind GM I think we can get. The new GM will impact this team's roster for years.

[LinvilleGorge]

The only pending free agents that really excited me are DeMarcus Lawrence but I see virtually zero chance that Jerry Jones lets him get out of Dallas and Landon Collins. Ezekiel Ansah being 29 worries me. I would be very leery of giving another DL on the cusp on being on the wrong side of 30 big money. If Gettleman hangs around in NY I think there's a legitimate chance he lets Collins walk.

One cap move that I haven't seen many mention is Shaq Thompson. He's scheduled to make almost $10M next season and I've seen no evidence he's worthy of such a cap figure. We can yank that 5th year option and get out from under it. If it meant adding a player like Landon Collins I'd do it in a heartbeat. TD is still a better player than Shaq and I'm sure he'd go another year.

[Harbingers]

@Mr. Scot

it isn’t even playoffs yet dude.