Breer believes the Panthers will make no changes

[Paa Langfart]

12 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

So...who's excited for next season? 

I refuse to believe DT is this blind, until it happens.  If Rivera goes into next season as our head coach and continues to makes the same errors of player evaluation and in game decisions ( and why would he change now )  I may well just stop watching.  Not that it will matter to Tep.  There are enough uninformed casual and ignorant fans out there to keep the money flowing into Teppers coffers.

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, Car123 said:

Selected our 53

Put Corn Elder on IR (leaving him on the 53 would have hurt the team)

The KB Trade improved our offense.

Claimed Kaelin Clay off waivers (won us the Jets game)

Graham Gano was the best kicker in the NFL in 2017.

etc., etc.

 Put a injured 5th rounder on IR. That’s the big move. So we could play Seymour. LOL. Good one.

 As glad as I am KB gone, his leaving didn’t change anything but a lack of depth at WR.  Which led to....

 Clay. Who lost us both Saints games in NO. 

 And the other PK was just as good for a fraction of the cost. 

Those are some real impact moves there. Which way they impacted is debatable. And this is the best you can do? 

[PghPanther]

The future of this team will be a squad of Jimmy Clausen clones.......have fun Panther fans watching your franchise turn into the Bills....

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

I know Hurney sucks, but you have a significant anti-Hurney bias. Do you attribute 2013 to Hurney or Gettleman?

I attribute the season to whomever had full control of the offseason. That's not a bias. When someone says Gettleman only won because of Hurney's players or Hurney only lost because of Gettleman's players, that's a bias (and a stupid one at that).

Someone arguing for Hurney asked me prior to this year to commit to the idea that any success we had this year belonged to Marty Hurney. I said of course it did. He had full control of the roster this offseason. The fact that McCaffrey, Samuel and others were drafted by his predecessor didn't change that. Thus, this season belonged to him.

Mind you, I'm pretty sure they were expecting a better result when they asked me that.

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

Imagine if the team decided to stick with Cam 5 years or so, that’s what it is right now. This team is better with Hurney than Gettleman, thought I’d never say that, but it’s true. There’s a serious lack of depth and it’s a result of trading 2 dimes and a nickel for a “quarter”. 

Yeah... That doesn't even make any sense.

The combined win-loss record of the team with Gettleman and Rivera in charge is something like 621. Rivera and Hurney have a win-loss record that's sub 500.

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

Still waiting for Monday. But it is not looking good...

[trueblade]

During the past offseason, some posters expressed concern about Eric Washington being a rookie Defensive Coordinator. Those concerns ended up being well founded. In much the same way, the Panthers have a rookie owner. Yes, he was part of the ownership group before, much like how Washington was part of the coaching staff, but its a different skill set when you are put in the leadership role. Despite what you might think, every NFL owners is smart. They had to be to make enough money to afford teams. Yet many new owners (Cleveland, Buffalo) stumble in their early years. It's not all that shocking that Tepper might make a 'rookie mistake' and stay the course this offseason.

[Saha]

1 minute ago, trueblade said:

During the past offseason, some posters expressed concern about Eric Washington being a rookie Defensive Coordinator. Those concerns ended up being well founded. In much the same way, the Panthers have a rookie owner. Yes, he was part of the ownership group before, much like how Washington was part of the coaching staff, but its a different skill set when you are put in the leadership role. Despite what you might think, every NFL owners is smart. They had to be to make enough money to afford teams. Yet many new owners (Cleveland, Buffalo) stumble in their early years. It's not all that shocking that Tepper might make a 'rookie mistake' and stay the course this offseason.

Great point. I hope you’re wrong, but still great point.

[thefuzz]

Well, consider me not giving nearly as many damn's going forward with this team.

Sucks too, because I thought we were on the upswing.

[CPF4LIFE]

I was done with Ron back in 2016, and i have been preaching that on here since then....even when people on here gave me backlash i have stood by that and we steered a course right into a collapse like i dreadfully predicted with Rivera. I feel like if i held out on those feelings till recently i would be even more angry than i am now. Still having Rivera here now is like a prison sentence that i have already started and everbody else is just now getting thrown in jail with me.

[BudFox]

Also, consider that we've watched every game over Rivera's tenure in real time.  We've been there for every bad call, lame field goal, boneheaded time-out, and seasons of Shula... It compounds into an impression of Rivera that I'm doubtful Tepper has.  I'd prefer Rivera (and Hurney) be gone, but the 2019 season should sort it out.  It's a tough schedule: Rams, Seahawks, Colts, Texans, etc..  Either way, Rivera will have to show Tepper what he can or can't do

[RumHam]

BUT MUH SOURCES

 

MUUUUUUUUUUUH SOURCES

If nothing changes we're in trouble. It just shows Hurney is great at ass kissing and our egotistical owner would rather have that than winning. This team is facing another long draught of mediocrity of his ass doesn't go.

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I attribute the season to whomever had full control of the offseason. That's not a bias. When someone says Gettleman only won because of Hurney's players or Hurney only lost because of Gettleman's players, that's a bias (and a stupid one at that).

Someone arguing for Hurney asked me prior to this year to commit to the idea that any success we had this year belonged to Marty Hurney. I said of course it did. He had full control of the roster this offseason. The fact that McCaffrey, Samuel and others were drafted by his predecessor didn't change that. Thus, this season belonged to him.

Mind you, I'm pretty sure they were expecting a better result when they asked me that.

I got that same “commitment” pledge from the same posters. Saying the same things in this thread. Also the “Who will be better the Giants or Panthers?” That wound up closer than it should be. 

  And anyone bothered to check out the Giants draft class? I don’t think their fans are upset with it at all. 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

I got that same “commitment” pledge from the same posters. Saying the same things in this thread. Also the “Who will be better the Giants or Panthers?” That wound up closer than it should be. 

  And anyone bothered to check out the Giants draft class? I don’t think their fans are upset with it at all. 

Yeah, I think they figured they were going to trap me into praising Hurney for a Super Bowl season. It kinda backfired on em.

Thing is, if this had been a Super Bowl season, Hurney and Rivera would have gotten the credit for it. That's how it works.

I don't subscribe to this stupid "butterfly effect" people keep trying to create to credit Hurney for Gettleman's success or blame Gettleman for Hurney's failure. Nothing says "dumbass" quite like that.