Now that one of our two best Free agents have been signed......

[WarPanthers89]

How do you feel about who we can sign and how our team will shape up? If we can get Williams under contract and cut Kalil I believe we will really have a great start to the offseason. Reid and Williams were/are the two most important free agents to shape the future of our team. If we sign Williams we realistically only need a center, and now that we have signed Reid we can go FA/Draft/Searcy/Gaulden for the other side, and focus on the line in the draft. Think of the hole we would have been in at safety if we didn’t sign Reid in our new hybrid 3/4 and we missed on FA? Great signing in my opinion and with only 10 million guaranteed it makes it even better (I think we all cringe still thinking of Matt Kalils guaranteed money) 

 

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS

• S Mike Adams
• RB Cameron Artis-Payne
• RB Kenjon Barner
• RB Travaris Cadet
• K Chandler Catanzaro
• OT Chris Clark
• LB Thomas Davis
• WR Devin Funchess
• DE Wes Horton
• LB Ben Jacobs
• S Colin Jones
• C Ryan Kalil (retiring)
• DT Kyle Love
• LB David Mayo
• OT Marshall Newhouse
• DE Julius Peppers (retiring)
• S Eric Reid
• G Amini Silatolu
• RB Fozzy Whittaker
• OT Daryl Williams

[WarPanthers89]

List of 2019 safety free agents. 

http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2019S.php

Top 50 overall:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/LongFormArticle/2019-NFL-Free-Agents-128879548/Amp/

[KSpan]

Of that list Clark (depth), Love, and Williams are the three I definitely want back, with maybe Mayo as well depending on how the staff feels about the new guys form last year. Most everyone else I feel is replaceable if the money isn't right.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Williams isn't a sure thing tho. Both because of free agency and his health. He hasn't been healthy and that could help to retain him but I think he's good as gone. Drafting a tackle wouldn't be a bad idea. 

 

I rather use the money from cutting Kalil, Munnerlyn, and possibly Butler to get a pass rusher or two. 

[My Goodness My Guinness]

Two best free agents? Who have we resigned other than Reid?

*Misread the title, my bad

[Harbingers]

15 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

• S Mike Adams
• RB Cameron Artis-Payne 
• RB Kenjon Barner
• RB Travaris Cadet 
• K Chandler Catanzaro
• OT Chris Clark
• LB Thomas Davis
• WR Devin Funchess
• DE Wes Horton
• LB Ben Jacobs
• S Colin Jones
• C Ryan Kalil (retiring)
• DT Kyle Love
• LB David Mayo
• OT Marshall Newhouse
• DE Julius Peppers (retiring)
• S Eric Reid
• G Amini Silatolu
• RB Fozzy Whittaker
• OT Daryl Williams

• S Mike Adams - Keep
• RB Cameron Artis-Payne - Keep
• RB Kenjon Barner - Release
• RB Travaris Cadet - Dunno
• K Chandler Catanzaro - Dunno
• OT Chris Clark - Keep
• LB Thomas Davis - Gone? Sadface 
• WR Devin Funchess - Keep
• DE Wes Horton - KEEP
• LB Ben Jacobs - Keep
• S Colin Jones - Keep
• C Ryan Kalil (retiring) - Gone
• DT Kyle Love - Keep
• LB David Mayo - KEEP
• OT Marshall Newhouse - Dunno
• DE Julius Peppers (retiring) - Gone
• S Eric Reid - Signed
• G Amini Silatolu - ummm no?
• RB Fozzy Whittaker - Release
• OT Daryl Williams - KEEP

Thats a tall order if Hurney keeps signing horrible contracts. 

I know people aren’t a bit fan of Mike Adams but I like him unless we can get a better replacement. 

[imminent rogaine]

Gimme Williams, Clark (depth), Horton, Love and Mayo. 

Make Landon Collins happen and have the best secondary in football. Throw some draft capital at DE. 

[LinvilleGorge]

OT is just uch a massive question mark until we know what's going to happen with Williams. We could potentially be set with our starting OTs or we could potentially have a massive need for a starting OT. Right now it's just a huge unknown for us fans, but I'd be willing to bet that our front office has a pretty good idea of what we're looking at there. Let's just say that I'm concerned on that front.

Pass rusher is obvious. I think we're in a situation where we have to both add an impact free agent and draft another one fairly early. We have one proven NFL edge rusher on the roster and he's on the wrong side of 30.

[Seltzer]

I hope we cut Kalil and use that money plus remaining space to resign Darryl Williams.

It will require using a lot of money for our OT's (especially for one not on the roster), but it will basically be like paying starter level money for both OT's since Moton is still on his cheap rookie deal.

The wasted money for Kalil will pretty much be used up this year, and we will have more money available after that for the Moton extension.

Moton (LT), Van Roten (LG), Larsen (C), Turner (RG), Williams (RT) would be a much better lineup than what we have had in a long time.

Larsen and Van Roten are just serviceable, and maybe there is an opportunity to upgrade, but fixing the OT position is paramount.

I would rather resign Williams and have a basically intact OLine and focus the draft on defense personally.

Resigning Clark to a team-friendly deal would be great, too.

[MHS831]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

OT is just uch a massive question mark until we know what's going to happen with Williams. We could potentially be set with our starting OTs or we could potentially have a massive need for a starting OT. Right now it's just a huge unknown for us fans, but I'd be willing to bet that our front office has a pretty good idea of what we're looking at there. Let's just say that I'm concerned on that front.

Pass rusher is obvious. I think we're in a situation where we have to both add an impact free agent and draft another one fairly early. We have one proven NFL edge rusher on the roster and he's on the wrong side of 30.

Right.

The reason we can't really gauge things:

Does Williams return?  If so, where is the evidence we like Moton at LT?  So we have a LT with a small sample of work and a RT with a bad knee---not exactly an ironclad arrangement.  Maybe it would be smarter to leave Moton at RT and sign or draft a LT.  Who knows?  I think Moton can play LT---but do the Panthers?

DE changes if we go 3-4, so we can't even count on what that need will be.

DT changes if  we go 3-4.  a NT would be in the cards either way, I guess.

So your phrasing is right--pass rusher. 

[MHS831]

9 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

I hope we cut Kalil and use that money plus remaining space to resign Darryl Williams.

It will require using a lot of money for our OT's (especially for one not on the roster), but it will basically be like paying starter level money for both OT's since Moton is still on his cheap rookie deal.

The wasted money for Kalil will pretty much be used up this year, and we will have more money available after that for the Moton extension.

Moton (LT), Van Roten (LG), Larsen (C), Turner (RG), Williams (RT) would be a much better lineup than what we have had in a long time.

Larsen and Van Roten are just serviceable, and maybe there is an opportunity to upgrade, but fixing the OT position is paramount.

I would rather resign Williams and have a basically intact OLine and focus the draft on defense personally.

Resigning Clark to a team-friendly deal would be great, too.

I am not seeing the Larsen love.  He is a backup, in my opinion.  Correct about the OL being better than we have had--

[Seltzer]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

I am not seeing the Larsen love.  He is a backup, in my opinion.  Correct about the OL being better than we have had--

Not disagreeing, but I would rather fix the OT situation even if that means rolling with Larsen in the short-term.  Also, finding an upgrade in the middle rounds of the draft at Center is much easier than at OT.

[WarPanthers89]

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I am not seeing the Larsen love.  He is a backup, in my opinion.  Correct about the OL being better than we have had--

Agreed. Larsen is great depth for C/G but I will be nervous if he enters next year as our starter, and not having depth behind him. Getting free agent center or drafting one is an absolute must.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Right.

The reason we can't really gauge things:

Does Williams return?  If so, where is the evidence we like Moton at LT?  So we have a LT with a small sample of work and a RT with a bad knee---not exactly an ironclad arrangement.  Maybe it would be smarter to leave Moton at RT and sign or draft a LT.  Who knows?  I think Moton can play LT---but do the Panthers?

DE changes if we go 3-4, so we can't even count on what that need will be.

DT changes if  we go 3-4.  a NT would be in the cards either way, I guess.

So your phrasing is right--pass rusher. 

I think Moton can play LT too. Yeah, he may be better suited at RT, but most OTs are. RT is the easier position to play. Gross was a very good LT but he probably would've been one of the best RTs of all time had we left him there. 

LTs are hard as hell to find. It's why bums like Matt Kalil's can make megamillions in free agency. If you have a guy who can hold the position down, you gotta play him there. To hell with whether or not he's better at RT. Especially when you have a former 2nd team All-Pro already at RT.