Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Daryl Williams and the franchise tag

t96

By t96,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

t96 Grand Master

t96

Posted
Posted

Haven't really had this discussion on here so I think it would be interesting to see people's thoughts even though the deadline is in less than 3 hours and there's been zero indication it's in the Panthers' plans. 

Would you consider placing the franchise or transition tag on Williams? 

Franchise tag number would be $15,283,000 and the transition tag number would be $13,717,000. Transition tag would just allow us to match any offer he gets or let him walk if we don't want to. 

Of course those number are really very high for an OL, however in his last healthy season he was arguably a top 5 OT. I wouldn't consider the franchise tag, but the transition tag seems a little more reasonable. I think it'd be a tremendous move to keep him around with Moton to anchor both tackle spots this year and give us flexibility in the draft, but not sure it's worth that high much money.

If you wouldn't consider either, what is the highest amount you'd pay him on a one year prove it deal here? I think something like 1 year $10M would be beneficial and fair for both sides.

It does seem to be trending towards us letting him walk and him getting a longer term deal from some other team, which is what it is if that happens, but I know I'd really like to keep him. Coming off the injury I don't think I'd offer him a long term deal at all unless it was at a significant discount (like $7M a year or something) which wouldn't make sense for him.

Thoughts?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LinvilleGorge Grand Master

LinvilleGorge

Posted
Posted

You can't franchise a RT IMO. Not unless you're flush with cap space (we're not).  The highest paid RT in the NFL is Lane Johnson and he has a $11.25M per year average. The NFL really needs to adjust the OL franchise tag to better reflect the values of the different positions. LTs get screwed with the tag, everyone else makes out like a bandit comparatively.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
t96 Grand Master

t96

Posted
  • Author
Posted
3 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Is he even a top 20 tackle, regardless left or right? Would be crazy to pay him top 5.

When he was healthy in 2017, absolutely. He was dominant in the run game and pass protection. Granted, it was only a 1 year sample size before last year's injury but I think there's no doubt he has the ability to be a top 5 OT in the league.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Panthers8969 Community Regular

Panthers8969

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, t96 said:

When he was healthy in 2017, absolutely. He was dominant in the run game and pass protection. Granted, it was only a 1 year sample size before last year's injury but I think there's no doubt he has the ability to be a top 5 OT in the league.

Lmao yeah definitely wasn’t a HUUUUUGE liability anytime he went against cam Jordan. Def didn’t need Ed Dickson next to him to not get beat off the snap. There’s multiple twitter threads on how bad this guy was. Can’t find a single person who thinks he deserved the all pro

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mr. Scot Grand Master

Mr. Scot

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Is he even a top 20 tackle, regardless left or right? Would be crazy to pay him top 5.

I think he could be really good, hence why I say "maybe".

But has he conclusively shown he's that good? I'd have to agree the answer to that is "no". And I'd be pretty hesitant to use a franchise tag on something I don't feel is proven.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LinvilleGorge Grand Master

LinvilleGorge

Posted
Posted
19 minutes ago, black-panthers said:

Tampa just gave Donovan Smith a 3yr/41.25M with 27M guaranteed. Avg of 13.75M a year. Thats less than the franchise tag. I dont see Daryl being the tackle Smith is too. Now, I would consider offering Daryl a 10M a year offer. He’d be smart to take.

Doesn't Smith play LT? There are currently 16 LTs with a per year average $10M+. There is one RT.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
thefuzz Mentor

thefuzz

Posted
Posted

Do. Not. Want.

 

At least not at those numbers.  We have Moton, and who knows what we have with Kalil.  Prefer to let things play out, especially with at much trench talent that is available in this draft.

I fully expect Hurney to make the wrong call however.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
shaqattaq Grand Master

shaqattaq

Posted
Posted
45 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

he highest paid RT in the NFL is Lane Johnson and he has a $11.25M per year average.

So what is fair for DW? I would be happy between the $8.5M - $9.5M range IF we think Moton is a viable option at LT; and I'm not sold on that since we haven't seen much of it. If we keep Moton at RT, then DW is a back up and shouldn't get starter pay. BTW, Moton is under contract for $1.1M and $1.3M for the next 2 years :) , and is better than Williams.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
thefuzz Mentor

thefuzz

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Let's be honest, we all know. We might not want to talk about it, but we know. 

I really can't understand what we are doing with him, but it's feeling more and more like he will not be cut this offseason.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • tukafan21
      something to feel good about in the offseason..."could be something special brewing in Carolina"

      By tukafan21 · Posted

      Then don't tune in. It's really not a hard concept to understand, if your making your decision based on your own personal needs/feelings as opposed to what is best for the future of the franchise, then it's a you problem, not a Panthers problem. When the season is already lost, every fan should be rooting for the same thing.  The team plays hard until the final whistle of the season and keeps improving as a team and individually, but in the end, we still come up short and lose games, and preferably because the other team beat us, not because we screwed up and found a way to lose due to our own fault. Look at it this way... If we are up 1 or 2 points with 3 seconds left in the game and the other team is lining up for a FG.  Beyond the joy of victory or the disappointment of defeat, what impact does the other team making or missing the FG have on our team the following season? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING Except where we draft and what teams we play due to our finish in the division. The players and coaches on the team would have the exact same level of improvement and learnings about themselves individually and as a team whether the FG is made or missed.  The ONLY difference in the end is the record in the standings and if the win or loss number changes. If you want to argue if making the playoffs to lose in the first round or just missing them is better or worse, that's totally fair and I can at least understand the other side of it.  But in what is already a lost season, if you're not hoping your team plays well but ends up losing, then you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.  You're hoping for a moment of happiness at the detriment of the franchise's future, and in turn, you're basically then happy for a moment to only set yourself up for future further disappointment.
    • HaricotVert
      something to feel good about in the offseason..."could be something special brewing in Carolina"

      By HaricotVert · Posted

      If we’re eliminated I want the wins more.   The season is already a disappointment and if I’m not pulling for wins why bother to tune in?
    • tukafan21
      something to feel good about in the offseason..."could be something special brewing in Carolina"

      By tukafan21 · Posted

      Two things terribly wrong with this post. First is that not one time has myself or anyone else agreeing with me said that the team themselves should think that way or try and lose for positioning.  Never once have I suggested the team should purposefully lose games, ever.  I honestly can't understand why people keep saying this in posts, not one fan has ever said the players should or would purposefully try to lose. And second, is yes, that has happened and it's happened very recently.  The 2020 Bengals were 4-11-1 and then were playing in the SB the very next season.   And while it might have been 2 years later and they didn't quite get to the SB, the 2021 Lions were 3-13-1 and then the 2023 Lions were up 24-7 at halftime of the NFC Championship game. The season between those two? They finished 9-8 and only just missed the playoffs. Which is why I keep trying to compare us to the Lions in where we are at in our re-build.  Throw out Bryce's rookie year with the Reich staff who just didn't work out and he looked god awful.   This past season when we were 5-12 in Canales' 1st season is that 2021 season for the Lions and their 1st season under Campbell.  This year is their 2022 where they grew a ton and Campbell's culture building was clear, where I'm saying we'd likely be better off in the long run if we go 8-9 or 9-8 and just miss out on the playoffs (which is still a significant improvement from last year).  Then our 2026 is their 2024 when we have a chance to be a real contender after adding a few more pieces and our key players having another year of experience under their belts.
×
×
  • Create New...