Jourdan Rodrigue on Panthers/Sweat and her prediction of who we draft at 16

[carpanfan96]

I'll go on a limb and say that Burns is the pick even if Sweat is there. 

[CPF4LIFE]

Im good with Burns, Ford, or Wilkins. I like all 3. 

[AU-panther]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sweat, Burns, Ferrell, and Wilkins are my top four and the only thing that's changed with that since the Combine is the addition of Burns to that list.

Do you think Wilkins could play end in 3-4?  Some places have him ranked top-10, might be BPA when it is all said and done.

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Do you think Wilkins could play end in 3-4?  Some places have him ranked top-10, might be BPA when it is all said and done.

Yeah, I do. I honestly think he's very similar to Short. If I draft Wilkins, I honestly probably have it in the back of my mind to make Short a post-June 1st cut next year.

[steven8989]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I do. I honestly think he's very similar to Short. If I draft Wilkins, I honestly probably have it in the back of my mind to make Short a post-June 1st cut next year.

Are we going to draft someone and bench Short? Can Wilkins play anywhere on dline?

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, steven8989 said:

Are we going to draft someone and bench Short? Can Wilkins play anywhere on dline?

No. DL rotates a lot. I think we'd see Short and Wilkins both on the field in obvious passing situations, either as DEs in a three down look or DTs in a four down look and we'd see them rotate in non-obvious passing situations.

[USC/panthers_11]

6 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

Are we going to draft someone and bench Short? Can Wilkins play anywhere on dline?

He doesn't seem to comprehend we already have 4 DTs on the roster, and you certainly want your 1st round pick to be a day one starter. Obviously D lineman rotate a lot, but I don't see how we would get the most bang for our buck drafting a DT in the 1st. If we plan to move on from short or Poe after 2019, we can address the position in free agency or the draft next year. Why do it this year when there are more pressing needs and limited to a 53 man roster.

Wilkins like Short play a 3 technique DT. I'm almost positive Wilkins has never played a 5 technique DE in a 3-4. If we are looking for that position Gary from Michigan needs to be the pick. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

Wilkins would be a phenomenal addition. According to deep stats/analytics there isn't much separating him from Williams/Oliver. I TOTALLY get the skepticism about burning another high pick on IDL, but it's emerged as a need. Butler is looking like a bust (just can't stay healthy), Poe was a huge disappointment. There's really no one I feel good about there aside of KK. Wilkins could allow us to save a ton of cap space next year by making Poe expendable. Not only that, the dude is just a fuging baller. He'd be a great fit for our 3-4 schemes and can play next to KK in those. He'd bolster our pass rush from day one.

Maybe not the BIGGEST need, but a terrific talent that makes us a lot better from day one.

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, USC/panthers_11 said:

He doesn't seem to comprehend we already have 4 DTs on the roster, and you certainly want your 1st round pick to be a day one starter. Obviously D lineman rotate a lot, but I don't see how we would get the most bang for our buck drafting a DT in the 1st. If we plan to move on from short or Poe after 2019, we can address the position in free agency or the draft next year. Why do it this year when there are more pressing needs and limited to a 53 man roster.

Wilkins like Short play a 3 technique DT. I'm almost positive Wilkins has never played a 5 technique DE in a 3-4. If we are looking for that position Gary from Michigan needs to be the pick. 

If we draft Wilkins it wouldn't shock ke if we moved Butler for a late round pick or even outright released him.

[steven8989]

38 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No. DL rotates a lot. I think we'd see Short and Wilkins both on the field in obvious passing situations, either as DEs in a three down look or DTs in a four down look and we'd see them rotate in non-obvious passing situations.

That's good I just don't want to draft someone first rd and see them on the bench lol.

[USC/panthers_11]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If we draft Wilkins it wouldn't shock ke if we moved Butler for a late round pick or even outright released him.

If the Panthers feel he's too good a talent to pass up, I'll support the pick - I just feel DE/pass rusher and LT are bigger needs. 

I still want to see Butler play one more year for labeling him a bust.

[Toomers]

20 minutes ago, USC/panthers_11 said:

He doesn't seem to comprehend we already have 4 DTs on the roster, and you certainly want your 1st round pick to be a day one starter. Obviously D lineman rotate a lot, but I don't see how we would get the most bang for our buck drafting a DT in the 1st. If we plan to move on from short or Poe after 2019, we can address the position in free agency or the draft next year. Why do it this year when there are more pressing needs and limited to a 53 man roster.

Wilkins like Short play a 3 technique DT. I'm almost positive Wilkins has never played a 5 technique DE in a 3-4. If we are looking for that position Gary from Michigan needs to be the pick. 

Wilkins can be effective at either DT, NT(and  provide actual pressure), 3-4. 5-technique(he as good a fit as any player in the draft). Gary would get Luke killed right now. Not too mention SDE in 4-3 on early downs.  Getting 60-70% of the snaps would be easy. 

 What you don’t comprehend is none of our DT should be on the team next year at the level of play we last saw from them. You don’t draft for ONE season. Add that no real DEs are signed for next season either, just how long should we ignore both? 

[USC/panthers_11]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Wilkins can be effective at either DT, NT(and  provide actual pressure), 3-4. 5-technique(he as good a fit as any player in the draft). Gary would get Luke killed right now. Not too mention SDE in 4-3 on early downs.  Getting 60-70% of the snaps would be easy. 

 What you don’t comprehend is none of our DT should be on the team next year at the level of play we last saw from them. You don’t draft for ONE season. Add that no real DEs are signed for next season either, just how long should we ignore both? 

Ok. I'm not totally convinced we will be lining up in 3-4 as often as some think. We will still be running a lot of 4-3 AND nickle which are 4 man fronts. Additionally, Wilkins has never played a 5 technique in 3-4, so I'm not sure how he's as good a fit as anyone in the draft. Wilkins is a 3 technique DT or nose. I brought up Gary because he played in 5 technique at Michigan. 

I don't feel I have any comprehension issues lol. DE (4-3 end or edge rusher) and OT are bigger needs, period. Of course we can get better at DT, but we can only have 53 players on the roster! We are not moving on from Short and Poe in the same year, that would not make much sense. We can't protect or get to the damn quarterback. Those issued need to be addressed first!

[panthers55]

56 minutes ago, USC/panthers_11 said:

He doesn't seem to comprehend we already have 4 DTs on the roster, and you certainly want your 1st round pick to be a day one starter. Obviously D lineman rotate a lot, but I don't see how we would get the most bang for our buck drafting a DT in the 1st. If we plan to move on from short or Poe after 2019, we can address the position in free agency or the draft next year. Why do it this year when there are more pressing needs and limited to a 53 man roster.

Wilkins like Short play a 3 technique DT. I'm almost positive Wilkins has never played a 5 technique DE in a 3-4. If we are looking for that position Gary from Michigan needs to be the pick. 

I don't think you want any rookie being a day one starter. They are green, don't have great technique and make mistakes. Look at our last several drafts. Who was picked in the first round and were a day 1 starter for the Panthers?

 

Moore? No

McCaffrey? No

Butler? No

Shaq? No

The last one was Star. 

The idea of your number 1 pick being a day one starter is actually not that frequent and that is a good thing ... Contributor yes but starter no.  That means you have big holes and limited talent so the rookie is automatically your best option