OTAs Day 2

[Mistuh Jones]

Good Glob when will we get some more content 

[Snake]

7 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Why would you beg for injury. Stfu.

Not begging but you have to wonder after two years of the same injury. 

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

Not begging but you have to wonder after two years of the same injury. 

Nope, I don't. People heal. 

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

Super duper for you. I remember a lot of praise like Haynes last year until the real action started. I post an article with a quote from our coach that took me 2 seconds to google but I’m supposed to take your word that what I remember is wrong. Dude gets some praise in OTAs so now the story line has to be that he got no praise last year in order for him to have improved enough that he’ll be good. SMH, the hoops that some people will jump through here. 

The hoops that some Huddlers will jump through here to tear down players before they've gotten the milk from behind their ears is what's crazy.

By the way, Rivera clearly said that Gaulden had a long way to go amid mostly rhetorical praise during coach-speak. That hardly is hype, and it certainly doesn't compare to what writers and observers are saying this year compared to last year this time. Even still, It's still more guarded praise than hype. Most people know that we really won't know what's what until at least a few preseason games if not September or October. 

[45catfan]

I wish Gaulden well, but his 3rd round pick was shocking to a lot of folks, myself included.  Apparently Marty and the scouting department saw something that most others didn't.  Rashaan is either going to make Marty look like a genius or a goat for drafting him in the 3rd.  It's been a year removed, but I don't recollect any draft board I saw having him as a top 20 safety, and definitely not a top 10 guy, which is what you want as a day two pick.

[MasterAwesome]

17 hours ago, stbugs said:

Super duper for you. I remember a lot of praise like Haynes last year until the real action started. I post an article with a quote from our coach that took me 2 seconds to google but I’m supposed to take your word that what I remember is wrong. Dude gets some praise in OTAs so now the story line has to be that he got no praise last year in order for him to have improved enough that he’ll be good. SMH, the hoops that some people will jump through here. 

Did you ever consider the reason you could so easily find that article in 2 seconds from a Google search is because it was literally the only article from last offseason with praise for Gaulden?

“Hmm, ‘Rashaan Gaulden praise’...boom! First one seems pretty legit”. 

Why is it that you always seem to proudly wear your lack of research as a badge of honor? How did you think an article from Gaulden’s alma mater would be received? Next time take maybe three seconds instead, since there are countless articles having praised Gaulden last offseason, to find a more credible and comprehensive account of his offseason performances.

It’s nice that your bar for a player’s offseason hype is set at Rivera saying a couple of generic encouraging things about him, like “he’s doing some nice things out there”...the same coach who regularly had praise for players like Amini Silatolu. But the rest of us prefer to rely on empirical observations, like the fact that he was able to run step-for-step deep with arguably our fastest player when his athleticism has always been a question mark. To me, THAT is encouraging...but I’m gonna need to see a lot more examples and reports to actually think he’s going to contribute in a positive way this year.

You’re so cute the way you keep playing this outrage card where you take this “OH THE AUDACITY OF SOME PEOPLE” mentality anytime someone challenges one of your ill-informed thoughts. Such an awkward line to always tack onto the end of your posts.

Damn there I go seeking you out and targeting you again. Just got the alert on my phone that you posted so I had to jump in here. I’ll start the stopwatch on your response so I can use that against you later.

[TheCasillas]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

Did you ever consider the reason you could so easily find that article in 2 seconds from a Google search is because it was literally the only article from last offseason with praise for Gaulden?

“Hmm, ‘Rashaan Gaulden praise’...boom! First one seems pretty legit”. 

Why is it that you always seem to proudly wear your lack of research as a badge of honor? How did you think an article from Gaulden’s alma mater would be received? Next time take maybe three seconds instead, since there are countless articles having praised Gaulden last offseason, to find a more credible and comprehensive account of his offseason performances.

It’s nice that your bar for a player’s offseason hype is set at Rivera saying a couple of generic encouraging things about him, like “he’s doing some nice things out there”...the same coach who regularly had praise for players like Amini Silatolu. But the rest of us prefer to rely on empirical observations, like the fact that he was able to run step-for-step deep with arguably our fastest player when his athleticism has always been a question mark. To me, THAT is encouraging...but I’m gonna need to see a lot more examples and reports to actually think he’s going to contribute in a positive way this year.

You’re so cute the way you keep playing this outrage card where you take this “OH THE AUDACITY OF SOME PEOPLE” mentality anytime someone challenges one of your ill-informed thoughts. Such an awkward line to always tack onto the end of your posts.

Damn there I go seeking you out and targeting you again. Just got the alert on my phone that you posted so I had to jump in here. I’ll start the stopwatch on your response so I can use that against you later.

Some good level headed points were made here.

[MasterAwesome]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

My god, you are just a complete douchebag. I don’t even know who the fug you are. Just go away. My I’ll informed posts? Lol. I don’t like Gaulden and it’s because I watched him play and know he’s got nothing to makeup for a mistake like Donte does. I’ll just throw you on ignore. No reason to reply to a know it all douche who came in here and replied to me. Feel free to keep following me around like a puppy dog and see if that validates your self worth. Damn, this place is awful in the offseason. Maybe go outside a bit and enjoy life dude. This is getting sad now and I certainly don’t want to waste another minute of mine on some pompous douche. See ya.

@rayzor

 

[MasterAwesome]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Your are at least civil. Listen, it’s as simple as this. I think we wasted a pick and watched two safeties go in the same round that we had in for visits and would have made our team better last year and this year. I’ve never hid that and everything I saw last year backed my thoughts. If you don’t believe that I remember hearing early praise (until a couple preseason games where he looked awful) that’s fine. I do and that’s why I posted that article. I did it literally to show that I wasn’t making stuff up like often happens in here. Simple as that. I just think any early praise is the same as last year to build up a bad pick and somehow justify our ignoring safety in the offseason yet again.

I wish we traded up for Reid who looked phenomenal last year and was like Little in Hurney’s mind this year, a guy many mocked or ranked as a late first. He was exactly what we needed and fell way more than expected due to the glut of FA safeties. Maybe Hurney 2.0 was deathly afraid of trading up again and people bashing him like before. We could have locked that position down for very little. I just don’t think Gaulden has it, but being an actual fan I’d like nothing more than to see him prove me wrong.

@top dawg

You’re welcome bro...he dropped that smug attitude faster than he spent researching “Rashaan Gaulden praise”.

[Peon Awesome]

On 5/24/2019 at 7:09 PM, stbugs said:

Super duper for you. I remember a lot of praise like Haynes last year until the real action started. I post an article with a quote from our coach that took me 2 seconds to google but I’m supposed to take your word that what I remember is wrong. Dude gets some praise in OTAs so now the story line has to be that he got no praise last year in order for him to have improved enough that he’ll be good. SMH, the hoops that some people will jump through here. 

Is it really a crime to hope a player we invested a decent draft pick in actually has the chance to be good? I at least think it's not worth your ridicule. I also think if we're ready to write off every player after one year, we're going to miss out on some potential talent. It took Josh Norman at least a couple years to look like a potential starter and we know how that turned out. You have to have a bit of patience with picks after the first 2 rounds. 

It's also easy to criticize in hindsight the decision not to trade up for Justin Reid. 17 picks up in the third isn't exactly a minor jump and we have no way of predicting where exactly he was destined to go. Right or wrong, the team has never invested much in the safety position so I wouldn't expect them to trade up for one. Gotta imagine if he fell to 89, he would've been the pick. 

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, Peon Awesome said:

Is it really a crime to hope a player we invested a decent draft pick in actually has the chance to be good? I at least think it's not worth your ridicule. I also think if we're ready to write off every player after one year, we're going to miss out on some potential talent. It took Josh Norman at least a couple years to look like a potential starter and we know how that turned out. You have to have a bit of patience with picks after the first 2 rounds. 

It's also easy to criticize in hindsight the decision not to trade up for Justin Reid. 17 picks up in the third isn't exactly a minor jump and we have no way of predicting where exactly he was destined to go. Right or wrong, the team has never invested much in the safety position so I wouldn't expect them to trade up for one. Gotta imagine if he fell to 89, he would've been the pick. 

   What if you were “pounding the table” to trade up and take Reid the second after the DJ pick was announced? That’s not hindsight. 

And not investing much at Safety is the problem. That’s the difference between a solid option and a “potentially good down the road” option. Which leaves us where we are

[top dawg]

45 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Norman started year 1 and showed flashes, but got into the dog house. I just think Gaulden doesn’t have NFL ability to be a starting S and said that from the start. He’s on the team so I hope he proves me wrong, but I don’t see anything that says he can. For example, Donte’s second half was hitting rookie wall and OCs knowing a bit more on what works against him. He, however, has the skills and god given speed to improve and become a really good CB.

Also, our 3rd this year or Norwell’s pick were more than enough or near enough to move up from 85. 85+88 could have gotten us into the 2nd (as high as 59). I wouldn’t have wanted to lose Thomas last year or Miller this year, but I think we easily could have moved up and maybe gotten a 5th back and still been able to get Thomas and the rest this year.

There is just too much nitpicking, second guessing and speculation in your post for my taste. Every GM every year can be nitpicked and second-guessed. There really is no perfect draft, and I think that holding a GM to such high standards based upon what you want is just being contentious for no reason. A good rule of thumb (which is an opinion, though pretty much accepted by NFL types) is that if you can get a couple of long time starters out of a draft, you're doing pretty good. Getting three, four and/or five is really good. 

Sure, Gaulden may not work as a safety (but he might), but fortunately he has experience playing as a slot corner also (and arguably was markedly good at it during his final year at Tennessee), so perhaps his perceived versatility was deemed more valuable than you like, but rightly or wrongly it is very much coveted by Rivera. I'm going to give Gaulden the benefit of doubt until proven otherwise. 

As for Thomas, no way he would have lasted. I kept hearing his name come up at the end of day two as one one of the hot picks at the beginning of day three. And l certainly think that much like Thomas has strong potential to outplay his actual draft position, Miller is in that same class. I'm grateful to have both of them and glad that Hurney didn't outthink himself by getting cute.

[Peon Awesome]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

   What if you were “pounding the table” to trade up and take Reid the second after the DJ pick was announced? That’s not hindsight. 

And not investing much at Safety is the problem. That’s the difference between a solid option and a “potentially good down the road” option. Which leaves us where we are

I do disagree with the way the organization disregards safety; I'm just saying that it's wishful thinking based on that to think we would actually trade up for one. 

I think most of us were pulling for Justin Reid to land with us.  It's just hard to know when we should have pulled the trigger on a trade. What would we have had top give up? Ian Thomas? If he turns into the heir apparent of Olsen and Gaulden turns into a serviceable starter, we're probably better off not making that trade. 

[Toomers]

50 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

I do disagree with the way the organization disregards safety; I'm just saying that it's wishful thinking based on that to think we would actually trade up for one. 

I think most of us were pulling for Justin Reid to land with us.  It's just hard to know when we should have pulled the trigger on a trade. What would we have had top give up? Ian Thomas? If he turns into the heir apparent of Olsen and Gaulden turns into a serviceable starter, we're probably better off not making that trade. 

  Then it isn’t “hindsight”. It’s being right in saying we made the wrong decision. Just like debating any pick in any draft. Why is that so horrible to discuss? I ranted for a year because Gettleman traded away Carl Lawson And Eddie Jackson for Daeshaun Hall. As it happened until now. Why follow any of it if you can’t give an honest opinion of what you see?