we signed a corner

[Camp Fodder]

4 hours ago, Seltzer said:

As long as he can play nickel/cover the slot, I think this is a good move.

Nickel CB/CB depth could still use some work.

Donte Jackson/James Bradberry/Ross Cockrell is a pretty good starting combination

Lorenzo Doss, Corn Elder, Kevon Seymour, John Thornton, and now Javien Elliott are the other guys currently on the roster.

The team generally keeps 5 CB's, and I think as long as he is healthy, Seymour has a leg up on 1 of the remaining 2 positions.  That leaves the other 4 guys to battle it out.

It's not the best CB group in the league, but it doesn't scare me like it has some in the past.  Losing Cockrell and Seymour early on last year hurt, although it did push Jackson into a starting role which may not have happened otherwise.

I certainly think it is sufficient with our Front 7 if we don't have a rash of injuries.

Why do people keep bringing up Seymour? That dude is trash. Like Zach Sanchez bad

[panthers55]

35 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

I will take the bait on this one.

We have tried to turn corners into safeties and it hasn't worked out too great so far.  Why not just get a guy who actually wants to be a safety?  We have tried the corner to safety thing, let's try the just a safety thing.

Many guys in college who are corners are projected as safeties in the NFL because they aren't athletic enough or fast enough to play corner. So the obvious reason is if you pick a guy who was only a safety in college you are likely settling for a guy not that athletic. Obviously that is a broad brush explanation and there are exceptions but with the emphasis on speed and quickness you are likely to get a faster guy with better ball skills if you turn a big college corner into a safety rather than pick a guy who has only played safety. Elliot for example ran a 4.4 forty. In many zone shells like a cover 3 safeties and corners are interchangeable. As for picking up a vet safety we should.

Personally I think too much is made of 40 flat speed versus quickness and superior technique but we seem all about speed and athleticism given we believe our coaches can teach technique.

[BlazeCarolina]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Many guys in college who are corners are projected as safeties in the NFL because they aren't athletic enough or fast enough to play corner. So the obvious reason is if you pick a guy who was only a safety in college you are likely settling for a guy not that athletic. Obviously that is a broad brush explanation and there are exceptions but with the emphasis on speed and quickness you are likely to get a faster guy with better ball skills if you turn a big college corner into a safety rather than pick a guy who has only played safety. In many zone shells like a cover 3 safeties and corners are interchangeable. As for picking up a vet safety we should.

Personally I think too much is made of 40 flat speed versus quickness and superior technique but we seem all about speed and athleticism given we believe our coaches can teach technique.

I see both sides of it.  I definitely agree with the 40 time being too important.  It is 2019, I think we should have a " game speed " calculated somehow.  Where are those Sport's Science people when you need them?

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, BlazeCarolina said:

I see both sides of it.  I definitely agree with the 40 time being too important.  It is 2019, I think we should have a " game speed " calculated somehow.  Where are those Sport's Science people when you need them?

They do it all the time with film study. They can cue up a play and determine how fast the player is running game speed which is why I have said that the combine was overblown. Scouts know how fast a player is moving when watching film with today's analytics.

[MHS831]

Mahon waived---might be the biggest news about this.

[MHS831]

Nickel competition.

[07579394]

Can he play FS?

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Mahon waived---might be the biggest news about this.

WHO??

[Black&BlueBubba]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Mahon waived---might be the biggest news about this.

That is what I am thinking.  He was Hurney’s wonder boy last year.  And to be cut??   Something odd about not even making it through camp.  We still have 7 guards on the roster.  But something odd happened to make him expendable over the other guys that he was ahead of last year.  

[TheSpecialJuan]

This man will make a difference and when I say a difference I mean no difference whatsoever. 

[Shocker]

Norman replacement 

[panthers55]

Actually you might argue that Hurney liked Mahon and waived him for this guy. So Hurney must think he could be more than camp fodder.

[Seltzer]

I just hope between the guys we got besides Bradberry, Jackson, and Cockrell we can find some decent depth at CB.

If the Front 7 can be as nasty as it looks on paper, hopefully whoever we have back there was be sufficient.  Other than 2015, it's not like have had great secondaries for the most part under Rivera, or really in team history.

Only in 2005 and 2015 did we really have elite secondaries.

I mean in 2013, this was our entire secondary: (Drayton Florence-CB, Colin Jones-FS, Robert Lester-SS, Quitin Mikell-SS, Mike Mitchell-FS, Captain Munnerlyn-CB, Josh Norman-CB, Josh Thomas-CB, and Melvin White-CB).  DJ Moore (CB) was also with us early in the season but was cut after the Bills game debacle (along with Norman being put in the doghouse).  Charles Godfrey tore his Achilles early in the season also (and never really recovered)

We had 2 UDFA (Melvin White & Robert Lester) who played a lot along with a bunch of otherwise forgettable guys (outside of Norman who barely played)

Point is it truly didn't matter b/c that might have been the best defensive line we ever had (certainly the most underrated) along with Luke & TD balling out.  Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy, and Mario Addison were certainly the best DE combination we ever had out side of maybe 2003 with Peppers/Rucker/Wallace or maybe 1996 with Lamar Lathon and Kevin Greene.

If our Front 7 can be as dominant as the 1996 or 2003 (which were obviously 2 of the best years in team history), we will be really good no matter what.

On paper, this Front 7 looks comparable to those teams.  Hopefully we get similar results.

 

 

 

[panthers55]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I think you are jumping to conclusions. Mahon made the team last year when our OL depth was pretty bad (Williams and Kalil on IR). Williams is back, Little replaces Kalil and we added Daley. One less spot and we also picked up a bunch of guards. Maybe some of the drafted guys like Dorian Johnson impressed enough that Mahon just isn’t as good as he looked last year against lesser competition. I don’t think waiving Mahon means anything about Elliott. If Mahon was worthwhile to us anymore another of the 90 would be waived. There’s plenty of other choices.

That could be true. Hard to say what they are thinking. However this guy is quick, plays nickel corner which is still a need and brings in a vet at that position. Which makes me think that Gaulden is going to play free safety primarily and they might not like  who they have at nickel so far. It is likely true that with the talent Hurney has amassed, there are going to be tough cuts and we might finally cut folks that land prominent roles on other teams other than old vets like Davis for example