Offensive line played well? Nextgen stats argues they were really bad.

[Saca312]

Well, in another thread I was complaining about how conservative Norv's gameplan was against the Rams. Often times, deep passes were towards the end of Cam's defined progression on most plays. Very few times was Cam's read supposed to be deep.

But now, looking at this stat, it's fair to see why.

https://twitter.com/bobbyrosinski/status/1171945668979679232?s=21

"Interesting NFL Next Gen Stat from the loss vs the Rams.  #Panthers OL sustained blocks for 2.5 seconds just 17% of the time. That is the 2nd worst by any team in a game since start of last season. Cam average pass came 2.2 seconds after the snap, his fastest in the last 4 years!"

Sounds like a lot of what could've been a nightmare was masked with Cam's change in throw pace, largely dictated by Norv's design. This can help explain why his gameplan was so conservative, perhaps stemming from little trust in the Panthers O-line against the Rams D. Which is fair.

Hopefully this is an anomaly and not the norm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[raz]

you know what's really scary saca?  i think to most of our 'eye tests' the 2nd worst of any team since last season was better than we expected

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Well, in another thread I was complaining about how conservative Norv's gameplan was against the Rams. Often times, deep passes were towards the end of Cam's defined progression on most plays. Very few times was Cam's read supposed to be deep.

But now, looking at this stat, it's fair to see why.

https://twitter.com/bobbyrosinski/status/1171945668979679232?s=21

"Interesting NFL Next Gen Stat from the loss vs the Rams.  #Panthers OL sustained blocks for 2.5 seconds just 17% of the time. That is the 2nd worst by any team in a game since start of last season. Cam average pass came 2.2 seconds after the snap, his fastest in the last 4 years!"

Sounds like a lot of what could've been a nightmare was masked with Cam's change in throw pace, largely dictated by Norv's design. This can help explain why his gameplan was so conservative, perhaps stemming from little trust in the Panthers O-line against the Rams D. Which is fair.

Hopefully this is an anomaly and not the norm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to see some things change that could help the OL---if we were on the LOS sooner, they could alter the cadence and detect blitz giveaways.  The when you are snapping the ball on a hand clap at 1 second on the play clock, the DL tend to tee off.

[Bronn]

I don't give a lot of weight to these kinds of stats because they don't tell the whole story.

FWIW I think it was all a part of the game plan. I think we were, rightfully so, afraid of Donald and their LBs, and we intended to have a quick pass/short game with them and work their middle rather than their front. We got jittery pretty quick out of the gate with the Matthews sack, and I think it went somewhat downhill from there.

Was it successful? We lost, but we neutralized Donald and CMC ate. Maybe those are some small victories? All that matters, in the end, is the W or the L.

The bottom line is that we didn't do enough. I expect that to change tonight.

[Jeremy Igo]

That was the plan. The O-Line knew the fast dink and dunks were coming.

Would have work too if not for a horrible call on a batted backwards pass or a headset that worked or those meddling kids.

[joemac]

3 minutes ago, Bronn said:

I don't give a lot of weight to these kinds of stats because they don't tell the whole story.

FWIW I think it was all a part of the game plan. I think we were, rightfully so, afraid of Donald and their LBs, and we intended to have a quick pass/short game with them and work their middle rather than their front. We got jittery pretty quick out of the gate with the Matthews sack, and I think it went somewhat downhill from there.

Was it successful? We lost, but we neutralized Donald and CMC ate. Maybe those are some small victories? All that matters, in the end, is the W or the L.

The bottom line is that we didn't do enough. I expect that to change tonight.

Yeah, Tampas D is not the Rams D.  I expect Norv to open the playbook a little more tonight and really attempt to put it on the Bucs from the first whistle.

[MHS831]

I do not think you can evaluate an OL by how long they stay on blocks.  Here is why:  If the QB gets the ball out in 2 seconds, they disengage.  If the play is a screen pass, they disengage.   If they are ripping across the face and blocking on the second level--how do you measure that?  In turn, a player like Star was great for occupying 2 OL for 3-4 seconds, keeping them off Luke and leaving KK in great shape. Those linemen stayed on the bronco for 4 seconds but were ineffective.

In other words, sometimes you chip and release--sometimes you pull---etc.  Dumb stat. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

5 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Well, in another thread I was complaining about how conservative Norv's gameplan was against the Rams. Often times, deep passes were towards the end of Cam's defined progression on most plays. Very few times was Cam's read supposed to be deep.

But now, looking at this stat, it's fair to see why.

https://twitter.com/bobbyrosinski/status/1171945668979679232?s=21

"Interesting NFL Next Gen Stat from the loss vs the Rams.  #Panthers OL sustained blocks for 2.5 seconds just 17% of the time. That is the 2nd worst by any team in a game since start of last season. Cam average pass came 2.2 seconds after the snap, his fastest in the last 4 years!"

Sounds like a lot of what could've been a nightmare was masked with Cam's change in throw pace, largely dictated by Norv's design. This can help explain why his gameplan was so conservative, perhaps stemming from little trust in the Panthers O-line against the Rams D. Which is fair.

Hopefully this is an anomaly and not the norm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of Tom Brady's career has been passes with the ball out in under 3 seconds.  It's not a bad thing.  The difference between us and them is that they are hitting the receivers in stride, and the scheme is designed in such a way that leaves the receivers wide open.  

Combination of bad passing and lack of creativity in the route designs.

[Wolfpack352]

I do hate the Patriots so much, but damn they are good!  He does hit them in stride and not only that, they know where the damn first down marker is and the receivers make sure they are at or beyond it, thus they usually always move the chains.  But back to the O-line, I believe Brady has good trust in his O-line and feels more comfortable than Cam does.  Cam sometimes appears like he has the jitters  and anticipating a hit any moment, lack of trust perhaps?  That can mess with you mentally affecting your performance.  

[Moo Daeng]

I'm not saying the line play was good but I know this stat does't mean much by itself. It's a number, it doesn't argue anything.

Now we are worried about quick passes? Do we have amnesia?

[joemac]

5 minutes ago, Wolfpack352 said:

I do hate the Patriots so much, but damn they are good!  He does hit them in stride and not only that, they know where the damn first down marker is and the receivers make sure they are at or beyond it, thus they usually always move the chains.  But back to the O-line, I believe Brady has good trust in his O-line and feels more comfortable than Cam does.  Cam sometimes appears like he has the jitters  and anticipating a hit any moment, lack of trust perhaps?  That can mess with you mentally affecting your performance.  

Yeah, but Brady is one of the most accurate QBs of all time.  It really does make me jealous to see guys like Brady and Brees hit their receiver in the chest and in stride no matter where they are throwing it.  Nearly every single pass is on the money from those guys.

[TheRumGone]

7 minutes ago, joemac said:

Yeah, but Brady is one of the most accurate QBs of all time.  It really does make me jealous to see guys like Brady and Brees hit their receiver in the chest and in stride no matter where they are throwing it.  Nearly every single pass is on the money from those guys.

It’s why they are the very best to do it.

Cam is a good not great passer. But when he’s on, he’s really fuging on. I said before the rams game I wanted to see Cam more as a game manager with quick passes until we see what this oline is like and to see them gel. Bucs dline is considerably less talented. So I’d like for Norv to open it up a bit and see how this o line can do. Bring back those seam routes Cam is money on. Play action for deep routes. 

If we just do the dink and dunk tonight I’m gonna be very worried going forward.

[philit99]

I still cannot understand why we don't roll out, bootleg, screen more, and run some 21 and 22 personnel to allow for more time. Maybe, Cam is not accurate on the move, that is the only reason I can think as to why we don't bootleg. Hell, Atlanta and Michael Vick made a living torching teams with bootlegs.

[Mr. Scot]

We already knew this without the stats.

Several of us have said that we didn't think the O-Line was as good as Newton was making them look by getting the ball out quickly.