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RR doing a good job with the D

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Rivera is and has always been a great defensive mind.  One of the more underrated ones in the last 15 years IMO.

Rivera actually is the defensive guru the national media wants you to believe guys like Dan Quinn, Rex Ryan, Gregg Williams, and the other loud mouths are without the results.

Defensive guys are not as en vogue as they were 10+ years ago, but they are still important.  More of the Patriots Super Bowl wins (2001, 2003, 2004, 2014, & 2018) have been about the defense than anything, and that points back to Belichick.  The Patriots had the massively 28-3 comeback against the Clowns due to Brady and the offense, but they also lost in 2007, 2011, & 2017 in spite of having the superior offensive team on paper.

Also, 2 of the best younger defensive guys right now in the league are Sean McDermott and Steve Wilks.  Directly from Rivera.

Rivera gets bashed for a lot, and a good bit of it is fair, but the man knows defense and how to coach it.

Rivera went a long time without a HC job b/c of his laid-back demeanor, but his defenses have produced from Chicago to San Diego to here.

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Sure, but there is this--of the (approx) 25 defensive players on the active roster:

First round picks (8): Luke, Shaq, Vernon, McCoy, Irvin, Reid, Burns, Poe

On defense, a third of the roster is comprised on first round draft choices.

I am not saying that RR is not doing a good job, but damn--our defense is an all-star team.  Throw in the second rounders, and you get 11 players that were first or second round selections. 

Second rounders (3):  Jackson, KK Short, Bradberry

Meanwhile, on offense, we have (currently):

First rounders (3):   Olsen, Moore, CMC (Cam not playing at moment)

Second rounders (3):  Samuel, Moton, Little

The offensive line:  We have 2 undrafted starters on the OL; our current QB was undrafted.

The offense is currently starting as many undrafted players as it is first rounders.

If you gave a coordinator a MLB like Luke calling the shots and 11 elite draft picks---then you should be good.

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7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Sure, but there is this--of the (approx) 25 defensive players on the active roster:

First round picks (8): Luke, Shaq, Vernon, McCoy, Irvin, Reid, Burns, Poe

On defense, a third of the roster is comprised on first round draft choices.

I am not saying that RR is not doing a good job, but damn--our defense is an all-star team.  Throw in the second rounders, and you get 11 players that were first or second round selections. 

Second rounders (3):  Jackson, KK Short, Bradberry

Meanwhile, on offense, we have (currently):

First rounders (3):   Olsen, Moore, CMC (Cam not playing at moment)

Second rounders (3):  Samuel, Moton, Little

The offensive line:  We have 2 undrafted starters on the OL; our current QB was undrafted.

The offense is currently starting as many undrafted players as it is first rounders.

If you gave a coordinator a MLB like Luke calling the shots and 11 elite draft picks---then you should be good.

Draft round doesn't really mean anything dude.

Patriots have even fewer 1st/2nd round picks on their starting offense:

Phillip Dorset (1st) Sony Michel (1st) aaaaaaaaaand that's it. 

Rest are 3rd round/later or undrafted. They're still doing fine. 

I'm not a fan of this argument. Good players play good regardless of where they're drafted. It's up to the GM/team to find them. 

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9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Sure, but there is this--of the (approx) 25 defensive players on the active roster:

First round picks (8): Luke, Shaq, Vernon, McCoy, Irvin, Reid, Burns, Poe

On defense, a third of the roster is comprised on first round draft choices.

I am not saying that RR is not doing a good job, but damn--our defense is an all-star team.  Throw in the second rounders, and you get 11 players that were first or second round selections. 

Second rounders (3):  Jackson, KK Short, Bradberry

Meanwhile, on offense, we have (currently):

First rounders (3):   Olsen, Moore, CMC (Cam not playing at moment)

Second rounders (3):  Samuel, Moton, Little

The offensive line:  We have 2 undrafted starters on the OL; our current QB was undrafted.

The offense is currently starting as many undrafted players as it is first rounders.

If you gave a coordinator a MLB like Luke calling the shots and 11 elite draft picks---then you should be good.

Ha wtf? This is reasoning? We have constantly been top 10 defense under Rivera.

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18 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Draft round doesn't really mean anything dude.

Patriots have even fewer 1st/2nd round picks on their starting offense:

Phillip Dorset (1st) Sony Michel (1st) aaaaaaaaaand that's it. 

Rest are 3rd round/later or undrafted. They're still doing fine. 

I'm not a fan of this argument. Good players play good regardless of where they're drafted. It's up to the GM/team to find them. 

Yes draft round doesnt matter but the thing is Rivera is known for being such a Defensive guru he should have been able to do more with less in the past, the defense has only been really good when its stacked like this,  youth has helped too. 

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9 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Ha wtf? This is reasoning? We have constantly been top 10 defense under Rivera.

Ron has only fielded a top 10 defense (front 7/secondary) like once. His Front 7 has just about always been in the top rankings since 2013 though, I’ll give you that.

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