4 undefeated QBs

[SBiii]

13 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

Tell ya what there, forget I ever said anything. I obviously made a mistake. Sorry, it won't happen again

Will do.  Yes you did.  Good to hear.  

Cheers mate. 

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    As a true fan, and don't take this the wrong way...but, you are a goob. What say ye?

 

    Let's trade our future HOF QB, and go with a game manager. One that seems to be regressing?

Were you worried about Cam‘s “regression” after he threw for back to back 400 yard games his rookie season and then his yardage dropped significantly in the third game? Cause that’s basically Allen’s situation right now...he just had his 4th career start...

How about we not declare Allen the next Tom Brady and also not be dismissive and declare him to be just a career backup, based off of 4 career starts to his name? Is that really that hard for people? Just support the guy and try to enjoy riding this win streak.

[mav1234]

I am pumped that Allen is turning some heads around the league, excited to see his growth as a player, and most of all, happy he is winning.

No idea what he is in the long term as a backup, starter, or... baby goat? Lol.  I just want him - or whomever is our QB - to win. 

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Were you worried about Cam‘s “regression” after he threw for back to back 400 yard games his rookie season and then his yardage dropped significantly in the third game? Cause that’s basically Allen’s situation right now...he just had his 4th career start...

How about we not declare Allen the next Tom Brady and also not be dismissive and declare him to be just a career backup, based off of 4 career starts to his name? Is that really that hard for people? Just support the guy and try to enjoy riding this win streak.

 

    Wow. You took my reply to another post, and just ran with it there didn't cha.

 

    Listen, I love what Kyle has achieved. Unfortunately, stat wise, he has gotten progressively worse every game. However, if God forbid, Cam never gets back healthy. I think we could do worse than Kyle.

 

    Best case. Cam comes back healthy, and Kyle is the backup for 3 more years.

 

    Mediocre case. Cam takes longer than expect to heal, and Kyle is our QB until then.

 

    Worse case. Cam is done. In which case Kyle is our guy.

[weyco2000]

7 hours ago, t96 said:

Kyle has been very solid in getting us wins but this is definitely an example of where passer rating doesn’t tell the whole story... 

You're right the undefeated part does.

[AU-panther]

4 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

A lot of reasons, if he’s just a capable starter than you trade him while he’s hot, we already have an investment in Grier even if cam struggles or gets hurt. 

Of course that’s a different conversation if the staff believes his ceiling is higher than just a capable starter. 

Cam’s contract year effects nothing, we still have a backup plan in Grier if for any reason there’s a contract extension issue 

I’m not sure a third round QB who hasn’t played in a real game yet can be penciled in as a backup plan.

Also Cam’s contract year affects everything.  I’m not convinced they are going to want to pay top QB type of money to Cam so why would they trade the guy who has shown some potential.

[Cpt slay a ho]

6 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I’m not sure a third round QB who hasn’t played in a real game yet can be penciled in as a backup plan.

Also Cam’s contract year affects everything.  I’m not convinced they are going to want to pay top QB type of money to Cam so why would they trade the guy who has shown some potential.

Grier will have the benefit most rookie qbs don’t, a couple years to sit and learn the game. So really depends on how he develops, but that’s a decent backup plan. 

Cam isn’t nor do I think he wants top qb money, Allen is also not under contract past this season if I’m correct, making the Grier plan another plus since he’s on his rookie scale for 3 more seasons.

the only, and I mean only reason you trade Allen is if it’s a forgone conclusion his play is a flash in the pan and you sell high on him while he holds the most value 

only way I entertain a cam trade is if we can pull in a similar haul the dolphins did for tunsil, but let’s be real his trade value has taken a big hit lately 

[weyco2000]

6 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

True the only thing is there are less qb needy teams than normal, but I’m sure we can find someone to bite 

I'm sure Daniel Snyder would be trade bait for Cam, straight up for Trent Williams?

[CRA]

5 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Grier will have the benefit most rookie qbs don’t, a couple years to sit and learn the game. So really depends on how he develops, but that’s a decent backup plan. 

Cam isn’t nor do I think he wants top qb money, Allen is also not under contract past this season if I’m correct, making the Grier plan another plus since he’s on his rookie scale for 3 more seasons.

the only, and I mean only reason you trade Allen is if it’s a forgone conclusion his play is a flash in the pan and you sell high on him while he holds the most value 

only way I entertain a cam trade is if we can pull in a similar haul the dolphins did for tunsil, but let’s be real his trade value has taken a big hit lately 

IMO, to think Cam isn’t going to want to get paid is wishful thinking. 

Cam gonna want about 30 mil a year.  Frankly non-top tier QBs are all getting that type money right now. 

[OriginalPantherDan]

14 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

We are in a very fortunate to have Allen. At the beginning of the year no one thought we had any depth behind Cam at all. I still believe we need Cam this year to compete for a super bowl, but the future is bright for Allen, and I am stoked he is a Panther. 

I disagree that the Panthers need Cam to compete for a SB. Good defense and a great running game along with smart QB play that mixes in the occasional deep shot is absolutely a recipe for success. Would Cam make them better? If he’s healthy, probably. But he’s not essential to wins anymore. 

[TheCasillas]

10 hours ago, SBiii said:

Given the respective retention costs might we be better off shopping Cam?

I see people CONSTANTLY harping on the price vs. production for Slye & Gano....

....are true fans willing to apply the same paradigm to Kyle & Cam?

Might we better off to secure a trove of assets for Cam and place them around both Luke & Kyle who both seem to be supreme game managers on both sides of the ball?

What say ye?!?

You might be overestimating cam’s value. We may be able to get a third for Cam at the most. Not saying he isn’t worth more.

kyle’s younger and there is less game tape on him. Teams will be more inclined to offer more for a player coming into his own and heading into prime rather than a player heading into year 30.

personally, I think Kyle is a premiere backup and a capable starter. He screams Case keenum , Chase Daniel type player. 
 

id take a healthy cam over Kyle 90 out of 100 times. Have to leave room for error. I will add I miss having a QB in the pocket I wasn’t worried was going to fumble the ball every drop back. 
 

happy we have Kyle. I miss healthy cam. Keep pounding.

[raz]

8 hours ago, SBiii said:

Will do.  Yes you did.  Good to hear.  

Cheers mate. 

wait a minute.  y'all are arguing.  i swear i thought you 2 were the same person with 2 accounts.   

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

IMO, to think Cam isn’t going to want to get paid is wishful thinking. 

Cam gonna want about 30 mil a year.  Frankly non-top tier QBs are all getting that type money right now. 

Hell, Goff got more than that.

Newton technically gave us the "hometown discount" on his previous contract. Wouldn't bet on that happening again.

 

8 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Allen is also not under contract past this season if I’m correct, making the Grier plan another plus since he’s on his rookie scale for 3 more seasons.

Allen is an Exclusive Rights free agent after this season. He won't earn unrestricted free agency for another few years.

[AU-panther]

9 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Grier will have the benefit most rookie qbs don’t, a couple years to sit and learn the game. So really depends on how he develops, but that’s a decent backup plan. 

Cam isn’t nor do I think he wants top qb money, Allen is also not under contract past this season if I’m correct, making the Grier plan another plus since he’s on his rookie scale for 3 more seasons.

the only, and I mean only reason you trade Allen is if it’s a forgone conclusion his play is a flash in the pan and you sell high on him while he holds the most value 

only way I entertain a cam trade is if we can pull in a similar haul the dolphins did for tunsil, but let’s be real his trade value has taken a big hit lately 

I wouldn't bank on Grier having a couple of years to learn.  2020 is Cams last season under contract.  the logical time for an extension would be this offseason.  Most premier players would like to get an extension before their last year of the deal. 

Of course we could be stubborn and make him play on the last year of his deal and even play the tag game after that but that is a good way to cause some drama.

I see one of 4 options this offseason:

Cam is released and we save a lot of cap space next year.

Cam is traded.  I wouldn't expect what the Dolphins got for Tunsil.

Cam signs an extension.  If he comes back healthy and plays well he should expect to sign a deal in the $30m range.  If he doesn't play well or seem healthy what is the point of offering a mid range deal, say 4yr/60m?  If you aren't convinced he is worth $30m you mind as well go with Allen or Grier for a lot cheaper.

Try to force him to play on the last year of his deal.  Basically a 1y/$19m prove it type of deal.

What I hope happens, Cam comes back this year healthy and plays great and leads us deep into the playoffs.  Then signs a long term extension in the offseason and plays great for the next 5 years for us.

What I'm afraid is going to happen, he comes back this year, plays poorly and is released or traded (maybe for a 2nd or 3rd) in the offseason.