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Opinions: our QB situation 2020


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If Cam comes back 100% and can play at a high level, what do we do with Allen next year. Rely on Grier as a unproven back up and hope he develops or try and retain Allen as our backup. Next year is Cam's last year under contract. What u think is the smart move?

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Honestly based on what we’ve seen from Cam lately, I say we roll with Allen the rest of this year unless he really shits the bed badly, and if he looks great and getting better then we roll with him and trade Cam.

 

Main reason for this is simply value for what they’ll cost. Cam is relatively cheap next year too but after that if he still looks good he’ll be up in the $30M range. If Allen continues to look legit, then we have him for the next 2 years under $1M then RFA and could then tag him too. That value is too damn good to pass up, and we could get some more draft capital for Cam.

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2 minutes ago, t96 said:

Honestly based on what we’ve seen from Cam lately, I say we roll with Allen the rest of this year unless he really shits the bed badly, and if he looks great and getting better then we roll with him and trade Cam.

With every win I am feeling more comfortable with life after Cam.  Cam is going to command a lot of money and it will be hard to give an extension to someone who may not last the entirety of the contract.  

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Hold on to Allen as long as possible and than trade him at the absolutely last moment in the described scenario 

the smartest plan if cam comes back 100% finish this season and next season strong, while primarily being a pocket passer or showing he will age gracefully at the position, do you only consider trading Allen 

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31 minutes ago, t96 said:

Honestly based on what we’ve seen from Cam lately, I say we roll with Allen the rest of this year unless he really shits the bed badly, and if he looks great and getting better then we roll with him and trade Cam.

 

Main reason for this is simply value for what they’ll cost. Cam is relatively cheap next year too but after that if he still looks good he’ll be up in the $30M range. If Allen continues to look legit, then we have him for the next 2 years under $1M then RFA and could then tag him too. That value is too damn good to pass up, and we could get some more draft capital for Cam.

Do we have Allen that cheap?  He was not drafted.  I thought he was a free agent next year---not sure

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Just now, MHS831 said:

Do we have Allen that cheap?  He was not drafted.  I thought he was a free agent next year---not sure

He’s an ERFA the next two years which means he has to accept the ERFA tender or not play, and it was like $600K this year. Then after those two years he’s a RFA so a first round tender is roughly $4.5M and if no offer sheet is signed we have him for that amount (or match the offer sheet). Then we could tag him and if he’s playing at a high level that would be a bargain. 

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5 minutes ago, t96 said:

He’s an ERFA the next two years which means he has to accept the ERFA tender or not play, and it was like $600K this year. Then after those two years he’s a RFA so a first round tender is roughly $4.5M and if no offer sheet is signed we have him for that amount (or match the offer sheet). Then we could tag him and if he’s playing at a high level that would be a bargain. 

Thanks.  I forgot all about (and never fully understood) the ERFA stuff.  We have a nice problem.

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Too far in the future to speculate. Cam could come back and make another MVP run and we win the Super Bowl over the Pats and then retire,..

or not,

or he sucks

or or or.

Will Grier starts after Cam and Allen both go down,.. then he really really sucks

and we get stuck with no quarterback with the 18th pick again,..

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