What QB does Kyle Allen remind you of?

[SmartyHurney]

Just now, CRA said:

Ok? He has started a grand total of 7 games and is 23.  He is literally learning extreme basics  and was thrust into this position.  The present day Matt Ryan isn’t the comparison.  Ryan doesn’t have a strong arm.  

And he is throwing to 5ft tall WRs on the outside  in addition to all that.   Which is something people are ignoring as well.  That isn’t how it works big picture. 

Arm strength isn’t the issue.   Reps are.  He also has overthrew Samuel multiple times the week prior in SF.  But because this week they were underthrows it is a weak arm issue?  

If you want to believe in his arm that's your choice. I'll use my eyes.

[Ricky Spanish]

Dalton/Bridgewater/San Diego Drew Brees

All based on their first year or so in the league.

[Rags]

1 minute ago, SmartyHurney said:

I thought it was overblown too, until last Sunday. He actually underthrew 5 balls, 5!

It was one game where he was that bad. Plus some of those underthrows (the constantly mentioned Jackson near int) was just an excellent play by Jackson, who definitely has the wheels to keep with Curt. 

If it continues then it's a problem, but there's not many DBs in the NFL who could make that play.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

51 minutes ago, bull123 said:

eli manning...earlier yrs

This one seems right. 

Maybe it's just because they are both baby-faced white dudes though..

[blackcat]

Brian St. Pierre

[therealmjl]

@electro's horse who do you have in mind I am eager to find out

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Dalton/Bridgewater/San Diego Drew Brees

All based on their first year or so in the league.

That's about right...forgot about how Brees looked in SD back in the day.

[Rags]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

And he is throwing to 5ft tall WRs on the outside  in addition to all that.   Which is something people are ignoring as well.  That isn’t how it works big picture. 

I've been waiting for this

 

Now is the time to start my CeeDee Lamb campaign 

[Ricky Spanish]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

That's about right...forgot about how Brees looked in SD back in the day.

Honestly kind of a similar throwing motion at that point in his career as well:

But yeah, Allen is a game manager at this point in his career. The real question is what is in between the ears and can he continue to improve week in and week out moving forward. As of right now, he's better than many QB's his age already. The question becomes is this his ceiling or is it higher?

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, SmartyHurney said:

If you want to believe in his arm that's your choice. I'll use my eyes.

I’m not the one inventing Matt Ryan having a great arm to paint some false narrative.  

Matt Ryan has always had someone 6’4 or 6’3 on the outside to throw deep too as well.  That matters.  

I mean we got two slot WRs playing on the outside.  It is the reverse of why Captain never worked great on the outside.   And it is ultimately why the deep vertical hasn’t been a big part of what a healthy Cam did under Norv either last year.  

[thefuzz]

Just now, Cracka McNasty said:

Honestly kind of a similar throwing motion at that point in his career as well:

But yeah, Allen is a game manager at this point in his career. The real question is what is in between the ears and can he continue to improve week in and week out moving forward. As of right now, he's better than many QB's his age already. 

If Kyle becomes an upper tier "game manager" (don't really like that term as people think it has a negative connotation) then we could certainly do much worse than him under center.

Long said that you can absolutely win SB's with "game managers", hell the Pats are doing that right now, and did in the early days of Brady.

[panfanman]

22 minutes ago, SmartyHurney said:

No, but he can throw bombs. I've seen Matt Ryan overthrow Julio. I'm not seeing Allen overthrow anyone at the moment.

Uhhhhh. . .did you not watch the last game?  He way overthrew Samuel on a downfield slant.

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, SmartyHurney said:

No, but he can throw bombs. I've seen Matt Ryan overthrow Julio. I'm not seeing Allen overthrow anyone at the moment.

He literally overthrew Samuel the game prior.  IMO that play was one of the reasons 89 talked about “effort”. 

But people redefine everything week to week.  He can only throw to right.  Then it is he can only throw to the left.  Then he over throws.  Then he underthrows. 

Real answer is he is 23 and played 7 games.  A work in progress and still learning the game and teammates 

[MechaZain]

Andy Dalton and Chad Pennington.